Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) in critical condition, 6 others killed in Arizona
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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2011, 02:11:18 PM »

Wow

No matter who did this, what their views are, or what their reasoning was, this is inexcusable and horrible. May she rest in peace.

Yes, indeed.  This is outrageous and disturbing, not at all for politics.
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2011, 02:13:36 PM »

This is what happens when you have politicians calling for open revolt. It's disgusting. It didn't have to be like this. This is sad day for AZ-8th, Arizona and the United States of America.
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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2011, 02:14:01 PM »



Kindly wait until we know for sure before you decide to twist and exploit a tragedy to fit your personal beliefs, Jack Thompson.

No matter who did this, what their views are, or what their reasoning was, this is inexcusable and horrible. May she rest in peace.

No need to get defensive. Political motivation would obviously cross anyone's mind in this situation. Mere speculation is to be expected, no lectures are necessary.
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2011, 02:15:31 PM »

Obvy it's possible that the conclusions jumped to are as wrong as they're natural, but the fact that most anti-immigration etc slaverers would perfectly and honestly agree with

No matter who did this, what their views are, or what their reasoning was, this is inexcusable and horrible. May she rest in peace.

and still the fact remains that
This is unbelievable, but it's something I've been waiting to happen for a long time.  This rhetoric can only lead to violence.
is also a valid statement. (Well, I'd downgrade the "can only" part. But it's a risk you're running... and not a tiny one.)
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2011, 02:16:07 PM »

Could CNN be any more daft?

"Several people have been shot at a grocery story in Tucson Arizona, and a spokesman for a Pima county sheriff's department says that among the victims or included in the victims are at least 12 people, they describe them as injured, they do not use the word wounded. The shooting reportedly took place at around 10 am local time, that would have been noon eastern time. And now, we have heard from the Tucson city newspaper that among those who may have been wounded was Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford, who was a Democrat with the House of Representatives. The reason this is noted is she had an event taking place..."

Could it have taken them more words to get to the bottom line? Jeez. It would be noteworthy if a Congressperson was shot anywhere. And what the heck's the difference between injured and wounded?
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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2011, 02:18:17 PM »

Could CNN be any more daft?

"Several people have been shot at a grocery story in Tucson Arizona, and a spokesman for a Pima county sheriff's department says that among the victims or included in the victims are at least 12 people, they describe them as injured, they do not use the word wounded. The shooting reportedly took place at around 10 am local time, that would have been noon eastern time. And now, we have heard from the Tucson city newspaper that among those who may have been wounded was Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford, who was a Democrat with the House of Representatives. The reason this is noted is she had an event taking place..."
Bizarre.

He'd be more likely to aim for Grijalva. Tongue Who is also his congressman.
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« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2011, 02:18:49 PM »



Kindly wait until we know for sure before you decide to twist and exploit a tragedy to fit your personal beliefs, Jack Thompson.

No matter who did this, what their views are, or what their reasoning was, this is inexcusable and horrible. May she rest in peace.

No need to get defensive. Political motivation would obviously cross anyone's mind in this situation. Mere speculation is to be expected, no lectures are necessary.

Sorry, it just upsets me when someone instantly jumps to "clear' conclusions like that, like Jack Thompson would do for video games. I mean, I wasn't a fan of Giffords' politics, but this is still an inexcusable tragedy, and after years of the aforementioned lunatic exploiting situations like this, I tend to be a bit defensive when it comes to it.

Obviously, political assassination is, sadly, a clear possibility, but given how indiscriminate this freak was with who he shot, it just doesn't look at all concise and targeted enough to have been one. To me, at least.
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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2011, 02:21:33 PM »

Quote from some dude who seems to know things:

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« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2011, 02:21:38 PM »

Oh my God. How horrible.
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« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2011, 02:22:45 PM »



Kindly wait until we know for sure before you decide to twist and exploit a tragedy to fit your personal beliefs, Jack Thompson.

No matter who did this, what their views are, or what their reasoning was, this is inexcusable and horrible. May she rest in peace.

No need to get defensive. Political motivation would obviously cross anyone's mind in this situation. Mere speculation is to be expected, no lectures are necessary.

I agree, but again there is also no reason at a tragic time like this, to just post a reply "Tea Party" Its kind of like when a Republican dies, and BRTD just posts something mean about how they are going to hell, or things of that nature.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but many of us knows that happens.
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« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2011, 02:24:21 PM »

The trouble is, it's a reasonable conclusion to leap to (for various reasons) even if it may well be wrong. Violent political language often leads to political violence, though, of course, we don't know whether that was the case here.
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« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2011, 02:24:39 PM »


Alright, yeah, if that's true, that makes political motivation far more likely, unfortunate as that is.

I swear to whatever God there is, no matter what you believe, this is not the way to go about pushing for it. Just...ugh.
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« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2011, 02:25:26 PM »

The left is assuming it was a teabagger -- the right is assuming it was someone in a drug cartel.  They're both wrong.  It was the Illuminati!

Seriously though, this is terrible.  Sad
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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2011, 02:26:30 PM »

Very sad. RIP.
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« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2011, 02:27:14 PM »

The right is assuming it was someone in a drug cartel.

Murdoch's Sky News UK is reporting it as a cartel.
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« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2011, 02:28:17 PM »

Fox News is reporting that one of the fatalities is a child.
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« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2011, 02:28:57 PM »

Apparently six others were also killed.
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« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2011, 02:30:06 PM »

RIP Gabrielle Giffords Sad Sad Sad
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« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2011, 02:30:42 PM »

Fox News is reporting that one of the fatalities is a child.

You know, times like this make me really glad Arizona is seemingly one of the most unforgiving states in America. This bastard deserves whatever he gets in retribution, especially so if the above is true.
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« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2011, 02:31:16 PM »

Is the cartel thing just a rumor or is there evidence?
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« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2011, 02:31:29 PM »

RIP. She was incredibly brave to stand by her convictions despite the threat of death.

I'll just put this here:



http://www.alan.com/2010/03/24/palin-puts-gun-sighs-on-target-map-says-ti/
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« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2011, 02:32:27 PM »

Lock him up. Throw away the key. This is completely disgusting. A child as well? I still can't believe it.
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« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2011, 02:32:36 PM »

RIP. She was incredibly brave to stand by her convictions despite the threat of death.

I'll just put this here:



http://www.alan.com/2010/03/24/palin-puts-gun-sighs-on-target-map-says-ti/

Don't, Lief. Until we know for sure, please, just don't.
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« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2011, 02:32:52 PM »

http://gawker.com/5728501/arizona-congresswoman-shot-outside-grocery-store
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« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2011, 02:33:40 PM »

The trouble is, it's a reasonable conclusion to leap to (for various reasons) even if it may well be wrong. Violent political language often leads to political violence, though, of course, we don't know whether that was the case here.

That is pure nonsense, whose logical conclusion would lead to a ban on political speech lest someone get hurt.   The only conclusion that is reasonable to leap to is no conclusion at all until all the facts are known.  The shooter could have any motivation or no motivation at all.
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