Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) in critical condition, 6 others killed in Arizona

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

You people just do not let up, do you?

The way that people in this thread, and elsewhere, have exploited this tragedy from the very beginning to score cheap (and increasingly nonsensical) political points is sickening.  Do you cretins not have any sense of respect or decency?  Or, for that matter, perspective?  I cannot believe this.  You might recall that after 9/11 the Ann Coulter types at least had the common decency to wait a couple months before saying it was all the fault of liberal surrender monkeys in the media.  The asswipes in this thread are making me ashamed to be a human being.

It's called the internet. People are free to be asshats here and reveal veiled opinions that they wouldn't show off in public. Well at least views that most people wouldn't show off in public.

[Alaska Thunderfvck]

Senator Common Sense.

No official motive has been given for the shooting in Tucson, Arizona that left six people dead and 14 others, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, wounded, but many are looking to the heated political rhetoric prevalent on talk radio and cable television as at least a contributing factor.

"We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said on Saturday after the shooting.

Now, he's being joined by at least one Republican senator.

"There is a need for some reflection here -- what is too far now?" the unnamed senator told Politico. "What was too far when Oklahoma City happened is accepted now. There's been a desensitizing. These town halls and cable TV and talk radio, everybody's trying to outdo each other."

When it comes to the Tea Party, the senator stressed that they should not be unfairly blamed for the attack. "They're talking about things most mainstream Americans are talking about, like spending and debt," he said. But, he acknowledged, "tone matters."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/gop-senator-rhetoric-need_n_806462.html

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If she pulls this out, it'll be pretty impressive, although perhaps not as impressive as Jackie Spieier's incident.

Anyways, is there any chance that the judge was targeted too, or was he just the wrong place at the wrong time? That would be an interesting coincidence since he had a large number of death threats.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

If she pulls this out, it'll be pretty impressive, although perhaps not as impressive as Jackie Spieier's incident.

Anyways, is there any chance that the judge was targeted too, or was he just the wrong place at the wrong time? That would be an interesting coincidence since he had a large number of death threats.

They're still looking for the accomplice, maybe there's some wider conspiracy or something. Really doubtful but who knows.

[Senator Sbane]

While some on the left did jump to conclusions too fast, it is troubling to see that those on the right are still hesitant to condemn language like "don't retreat, reload" or "second amendment remedies".

Yes, this guy was insane. Most people who commit violence for political reasons usually are insane, unless it is a mass movement. But his Schizophrenia (that is what is seems like he has) can be trigerred by many things. I don't know if sweet Sarah's map targetting individuals (not districts, but individuals) was misinterpreted by the voices within this guy's head. Most probably that is not the case. But the potential is there. That is why politically influential people should watch what they say. Hopefully this will be a teaching moment for these people. Probably not for similarly insane individuals like Beck, but hopefully Sarah will think twice before getting all cute with language about guns.

And I would say the same of leftists if they were doing this sort of sh**t. But are they? Are their prominent liberals advocating for "second amendment remedies" if they lose elections? There were definitely a few crazies around when Bush was President, but they were always marginalized. They did not have primetime coverage on America's most popular "news" station.

[Insula Dei]

While some on the left did jump to conclusions too fast, it is troubling to see that those on the right are still hesitant to condemn language like "don't retreat, reload" or "second amendment remedies".

Yes, this guy was insane. Most people who commit violence for political reasons usually are insane, unless it is a mass movement. But his Schizophrenia (that is what is seems like he has) can be trigerred by many things. I don't know if sweet Sarah's map targetting individuals (not districts, but individuals) was misinterpreted by the voices within this guy's head. Most probably that is not the case. But the potential is there. That is why politically influential people should watch what they say. Hopefully this will be a teaching moment for these people. Probably not for similarly insane individuals like Beck, but hopefully Sarah will thing twice before getting all cute with language about guns.

And I would say the same of leftists if they were doing this sort of sh**t. But are they? Are their prominent liberals advocating for "second amendment remedies" if they lose elections? There were definitely a few crazies around when Bush was President, but they were always marginalized. They did not have primetime coverage on America's most popular "news" station.

If you disagree with any of this, you have lost all capacity of critical thought.

[shua]

No one is saying he was a teabagger brownshirt. What people are saying is that many on the right-wing (arguably the far right-wing) in this country have created an atmosphere where this kind of political violence is normalized and subtly encouraged, to the point that something like this happening eventually isn't very surprising at all.

an 'atmosphere' leading someone to violence? that sounds kinda mystical.

[redcommander]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/palin-staffer-nothing-irrespon.html

[The Economist]

Hopefully Rep. Giffords makes a full and speedy recovery ... and this is horrible, beyond comprehension and a matter beyond partisan politics.

[Lief]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/palin-staffer-nothing-irrespon.html

but wait!



lying bitch.

[Gustaf]

While some on the left did jump to conclusions too fast, it is troubling to see that those on the right are still hesitant to condemn language like "don't retreat, reload" or "second amendment remedies".

Yes, this guy was insane. Most people who commit violence for political reasons usually are insane, unless it is a mass movement. But his Schizophrenia (that is what is seems like he has) can be trigerred by many things. I don't know if sweet Sarah's map targetting individuals (not districts, but individuals) was misinterpreted by the voices within this guy's head. Most probably that is not the case. But the potential is there. That is why politically influential people should watch what they say. Hopefully this will be a teaching moment for these people. Probably not for similarly insane individuals like Beck, but hopefully Sarah will thing twice before getting all cute with language about guns.

And I would say the same of leftists if they were doing this sort of sh**t. But are they? Are their prominent liberals advocating for "second amendment remedies" if they lose elections? There were definitely a few crazies around when Bush was President, but they were always marginalized. They did not have primetime coverage on America's most popular "news" station.

If you disagree with any of this, you have lost all capacity of critical thought.

If anyone disagrees with you they have lost the capacity for critical thinking? lol...

[crypto-fascist superhero]

http://www.wtap.com/home/headlines/UPDATE_Rep_Gabrielle_Giffords_In_Critical_Condition.html

Tucson, Ariz. (AP) -- Arizona authorities say a second man has been cleared of any involvement in Rep. Gabrielle Giffords shooting.

Pima County Sheriff's Deputy Jason Ogan said Sunday that the man, a suspected accomplice in the shooting Saturday, was not involved.

The office has said a man possibly associated with the suspect who was near the scene was being sought. The man, who was photographed by a security camera, was described as white with dark hair and 40 to 45 years old.

(Copyright 2011 by the Associated Press. All rights reserved.)

[Χahar]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/palin-staffer-nothing-irrespon.html

but wait!



lying bitch.

Does she actually talk like that on Twatter?

[shua]

lying bitch.

ah, so this is the type of rhetoric we should be using to promote nonviolence. i see.

[redcommander]

lying bitch.

ah, so this is the type of rhetoric we should be using to promote nonviolence. i see.

It's an accurate description of her though.

[I left.]

lying bitch.

ah, so this is the type of rhetoric we should be using to promote nonviolence. i see.

and what exactly does that have to do with violence? Actually, don't bother.

[patrick1]

lying bitch.

ah, so this is the type of rhetoric we should be using to promote nonviolence. i see.

and what exactly does that have to do with violence? Actually, don't bother.

Well, it doesn't contribute to a softening of tone that many in these threads are calling for.

[J. J.]

I'd like to here from avikshniki (or his girlfriend) on the latest medical developments.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting/index.html

Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is able to communicate with doctors by following simple commands, a doctor said Sunday.
"We are very encouraged by that," said Dr. Michael Lemole, Jr., chief of neurosurgery at University Medical Center in Tuscon, Arizona. "I am cautiously optimistic."
Giffords remained in critical condition after a gunman shot her in the head and then opened fire on a crowd at a political meet-and-greet Saturday outside an Arizona supermarket.

...

Giffords was under sedation, said Dr. Peter Rhee, medical director of the UMC trauma center, on Sunday. Doctors will turn off the sedation periodically and allow her brain to begin functioning and "see what her progress is," Rhee added.

Swelling of the brain is the biggest threat Giffords faces, said Lemole. The bullet traveled through the left hemisphere of her brain from back to front, he said, and "not through some of those critical trajectories" that would have made recovery more difficult. The most traumatic gunshot injuries are when a bullet crosses from one hemisphere to another, he said.
Doctors removed part of Giffords' skull during surgery in order to keep the brain from pressing against it if it swells, Lemole said.

"This so far has been a very good situation," Rhee said. "Hopefully it will stay that way."
While the simple commands she can follow may be taken for granted, Lemole said, they actually indicate a high level of brain functioning.

That definitely does not sound good; I was hoping it was a "skirting wound."  Poor woman!

[shua]

lying bitch.

ah, so this is the type of rhetoric we should be using to promote nonviolence. i see.

and what exactly does that have to do with violence? Actually, don't bother.

what does referring to a woman as a "bitch" have to do with violence against women? i wouldn't think i'd need to bother.

[J. J.]

If she pulls this out, it'll be pretty impressive, although perhaps not as impressive as Jackie Spieier's incident.

Anyways, is there any chance that the judge was targeted too, or was he just the wrong place at the wrong time? That would be an interesting coincidence since he had a large number of death threats.

Loughner had attended a Giffords' town meeting in 2007, so it's kind of likely he was after her.

[President Marokai]

No one is saying he was a teabagger brownshirt. What people are saying is that many on the right-wing (arguably the far right-wing) in this country have created an atmosphere where this kind of political violence is normalized and subtly encouraged, to the point that something like this happening eventually isn't very surprising at all.

Bingo.

[Jbrase]

No one is saying he was a teabagger brownshirt.

Tea Party.

[Lief]

No one is saying he was a teabagger brownshirt.

Tea Party.

A reasonable hypothesis two hours after the event before anything was known about the man.

[J. J.]

No one is saying he was a teabagger brownshirt. What people are saying is that many on the right-wing (arguably the far right-wing) in this country have created an atmosphere where this kind of political violence is normalized and subtly encouraged, to the point that something like this happening eventually isn't very surprising at all.

Bingo.

By a Democrat shooting at the Healthcare Bill?  Who won?

We've seen the same think in different times, dating back to the 19th century.

Some of the leftists on this site, though certainly not (and I have a bit more respect for Jfern now), want to make this about Palin, the Tea Party, Beck, and the GOP when there is no suggestion that Loughner:

A.  Had right wing views.

B.  Even listened to Palin or Beck.

[Proud Lieberal from Northeast]

Senator Common Sense.

No official motive has been given for the shooting in Tucson, Arizona that left six people dead and 14 others, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, wounded, but many are looking to the heated political rhetoric prevalent on talk radio and cable television as at least a contributing factor.

"We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said on Saturday after the shooting.

Now, he's being joined by at least one Republican senator.

"There is a need for some reflection here -- what is too far now?" the unnamed senator told Politico. "What was too far when Oklahoma City happened is accepted now. There's been a desensitizing. These town halls and cable TV and talk radio, everybody's trying to outdo each other."

When it comes to the Tea Party, the senator stressed that they should not be unfairly blamed for the attack. "They're talking about things most mainstream Americans are talking about, like spending and debt," he said. But, he acknowledged, "tone matters."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/gop-senator-rhetoric-need_n_806462.html

Of course, this Senator is hiding her/his idenity in order to nor piss off the base.

Sadly.