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« on: January 15, 2011, 11:29:22 PM »

The states of Maine/Nebraska split their electoral votes by Congressional district. Obama, of course, won 1 of them in Nebraska.


Is there any legal barrier for Corbett/Snyder/Walker enacting similar policies in these 3 states?
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 12:02:31 AM »

In Wisconsin it has to pass two sessions of the legislature then a referendum.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 12:02:59 AM »

It becomes insane when applied to big states. It really works only in states with 2-4 congressmen or so.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 12:27:38 AM »

These are the last states that would ever do it. They're swing states (albeit a bit on the Dem side) with a lot of electoral votes.  They would be decreasing their clout to move to a split.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2011, 12:31:46 AM »

Btw, there's a bill in the Nebraska legislature that would have the state revert to WTA in the electoral college, and it's thought to have a good chance of passing:

http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/article_0a5a6e08-6b63-5c99-b75a-760e35c9f099.html
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2011, 12:53:31 AM »

Btw, there's a bill in the Nebraska legislature that would have the state revert to WTA in the electoral college, and it's thought to have a good chance of passing:

http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/article_0a5a6e08-6b63-5c99-b75a-760e35c9f099.html


How utterly and completely idiotic.

It's a step backwards, and it just shows what a bunch of sore losers the Republicans are.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 12:59:23 AM »

Btw, there's a bill in the Nebraska legislature that would have the state revert to WTA in the electoral college, and it's thought to have a good chance of passing:

http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/article_0a5a6e08-6b63-5c99-b75a-760e35c9f099.html


How utterly and completely idiotic.

It's a step backwards, and it just shows what a bunch of sore losers the Republicans are.

I take it you were in favor of Schwarzenegger's proposal to apply congressional district splitting in California.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2011, 01:25:28 AM »

These are the last states that would ever do it. They're swing states (albeit a bit on the Dem side) with a lot of electoral votes.  They would be decreasing their clout to move to a split.

It would also give the 2012 Republican candidate a free 20 electoral votes.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2011, 01:28:17 AM »

These are the last states that would ever do it. They're swing states (albeit a bit on the Dem side) with a lot of electoral votes.  They would be decreasing their clout to move to a split.

Michigan's not a swing state when it comes to districts though... it'd hurt the Democrats, probably.

But I certainly don't see it happening in Michigan.
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2011, 01:44:01 AM »

Having electoral votes depend on gerrymandering is a stupid idea.
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2011, 02:36:54 AM »

Remember some Democrats in North Carolina tried to do this before 2008 but were told to stand down by the DNC. If they had gone through, it would've backfired.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2011, 02:45:26 AM »

Also Colorado in 2004, though that would have done it proportionally rather than by CD:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec04/colorado_10-26.html

And California in 2008 and again in 2012:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/20/105396/commentary-a-gop-power-grab-is.html
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2011, 06:25:23 AM »

Having electoral votes depend on gerrymandering is a stupid idea.

This.  Do you want to give these people an even BIGGER reason to draw overtly partisan lines? 

Although, a universal application of this would almost certainly help the Republicans on average.  In a perfectly 50-50 election, The Democrats are wasting more Votes in Districts like NY-15 and NY-16 than the Republicans are in their strongly R districts.  In other words, it would transfer the Democrat's existing concentration problem in house districts into presidential elections where it doesn't currently exist.

So compared to the Current electoral college system (which is remarkably balanced between the two parties actually at 266-263-9 Republican-Democrat-Even CPVI, given how arbitrary it is), a by-congressional seat map would be unfairly partisan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPVI
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2011, 06:40:37 AM »

Proportional allocation is the only right way to do it. Everything else is just stupid and/or partisan.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2011, 09:48:04 AM »

Remember some Democrats in North Carolina tried to do this before 2008 but were told to stand down by the DNC. If they had gone through, it would've backfired.

Obama would have had 5 fewer EVs? Big deal. The election's not going to swing on a few votes in NC.
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2011, 10:28:30 AM »

All states need to keep the process like it is, the electoral college is nonsensical enough as it is. Such blatant electioneering would probably cause too much controversy to pass.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2011, 12:36:14 PM »

Also Colorado in 2004, though that would have done it proportionally rather than by CD:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec04/colorado_10-26.html

That was a terrible idea, because in a close race it would have reduced Colorado's value to the competitors to the single electoral vote that could have swung one way or the other by deep investment in the state to pull off a 5-4 win.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2011, 01:47:50 PM »

Having electoral votes depend on gerrymandering is a stupid idea.

So is the electoral college.  And the senate.
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