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« Reply #1800 on: April 17, 2012, 04:45:18 PM »


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« Reply #1801 on: April 17, 2012, 04:55:29 PM »


I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

Don't understand why he hasn't joined UKIP yet.
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« Reply #1802 on: April 17, 2012, 05:58:30 PM »


I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

Don't understand why he hasn't joined UKIP yet.

Or why he hasn't taken American nationality and joined the GOP.
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« Reply #1803 on: April 17, 2012, 06:45:16 PM »

are there any Melenchon vs Sarko polls being done for fun or academics?
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« Reply #1804 on: April 17, 2012, 07:43:08 PM »

are there any Melenchon vs Sarko polls being done for fun or academics?

Nope. That would be interesting to see (so would all the possible combinations between Hollande, Sarko, Le Pen, Mélenchon and Bayrou) but pollsters are somewhat realistic.
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« Reply #1805 on: April 17, 2012, 07:44:44 PM »


This post is so Winfieldesque.
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« Reply #1806 on: April 17, 2012, 08:43:53 PM »


I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

It's a shame criticism of the NHS helps the left (though it's almost certainly so, unfortunately).

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:
- Hollande will almost certainly win.
- Hollande, Sarkozy, lePen, Melenchon, and Bayrou seem like they'll be the only candidates to break 10%. It's very difficult for me to support any of the five, but the Front National scares me a bit, so I suppose I'll back Sarkozy as the most right-wing but not-scary person running. With luck, France will drift sane-right over time (a la American GOP minus social (religious, cultural, such as abortion, gay marriage) issues).
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« Reply #1807 on: April 17, 2012, 09:18:20 PM »

I don't understand either Phil or Wormyguy's presence in this thread.

You've contributed so much.
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« Reply #1808 on: April 17, 2012, 09:19:44 PM »


I'm not a Sarkozy fanboy so...no, not quite.
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« Reply #1809 on: April 17, 2012, 09:21:08 PM »


I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

It's a shame criticism of the NHS helps the left (though it's almost certainly so, unfortunately).

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:
- Hollande will almost certainly win.
- Hollande, Sarkozy, lePen, Melenchon, and Bayrou seem like they'll be the only candidates to break 10%. It's very difficult for me to support any of the five, but the Front National scares me a bit, so I suppose I'll back Sarkozy as the most right-wing but not-scary person running. With luck, France will drift sane-right over time (a la American GOP minus social (religious, cultural, such as abortion, gay marriage) issues).
Didn't France try the American approach for past five years? Guess where they are now...
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« Reply #1810 on: April 17, 2012, 09:30:02 PM »

I don't understand either Phil or Wormyguy's presence in this thread.

You've contributed so much.

Well I shouldn't have said that, I know. I actually do understand your presence in this thread, since it's about just getting on the nerves of lefties, but Wormyguy's weirdly random stubborn posturing over Italy's record (or lack thereof) of military accomplishment completely baffles me.
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« Reply #1811 on: April 17, 2012, 09:35:00 PM »

I don't understand either Phil or Wormyguy's presence in this thread.

You've contributed so much.

Well I shouldn't have said that, I know. I actually do understand your presence in this thread, since it's about just getting on the nerves of lefties, but Wormyguy's weirdly random stubborn posturing over Italy's record (or lack thereof) of military accomplishment completely baffles me.

Actually, no, I'm really following the race so that's why I'm posting here.
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« Reply #1812 on: April 17, 2012, 09:41:02 PM »

I suppose it's just a difference in posting philosophy. I follow international election threads pretty much constantly, but I only rarely post in them unless I have anything to add. Wormyguy's posts did get me curious about his motivations, though. Purely for my own purposes. Oh well.
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« Reply #1813 on: April 17, 2012, 09:43:07 PM »


I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

It's a shame criticism of the NHS helps the left (though it's almost certainly so, unfortunately).

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:
- Hollande will almost certainly win.
- Hollande, Sarkozy, lePen, Melenchon, and Bayrou seem like they'll be the only candidates to break 10%. It's very difficult for me to support any of the five, but the Front National scares me a bit, so I suppose I'll back Sarkozy as the most right-wing but not-scary person running. With luck, France will drift sane-right over time (a la American GOP minus social (religious, cultural, such as abortion, gay marriage) issues).
Didn't France try the American approach for past five years? Guess where they are now...
No, absolutely not. http://www.economist.com/node/12607041?story_id=12607041
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« Reply #1814 on: April 17, 2012, 11:59:35 PM »
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I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

It's a shame criticism of the NHS helps the left (though it's almost certainly so, unfortunately).

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:
- Hollande will almost certainly win.
- Hollande, Sarkozy, lePen, Melenchon, and Bayrou seem like they'll be the only candidates to break 10%. It's very difficult for me to support any of the five, but the Front National scares me a bit, so I suppose I'll back Sarkozy as the most right-wing but not-scary person running. With luck, France will drift sane-right over time (a la American GOP minus social (religious, cultural, such as abortion, gay marriage) issues).
Didn't France try the American approach for past five years? Guess where they are now...
No, absolutely not. http://www.economist.com/node/12607041?story_id=12607041
The economist is a right-wing news agency. Might as well ask Glenn Beck about it. Just the mention of Europe will have neutrons firing off Socialism in his brain. This is pretty much like calling Obama a socialist.
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« Reply #1815 on: April 18, 2012, 04:33:57 AM »

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:

In the coming months ?? The countdown in my sig indicates the number of days left, FYI.


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Even if you exclude social issues, the GOP is still insane. Even the UMP is saner on that regard.
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« Reply #1816 on: April 18, 2012, 05:51:48 AM »


I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

It's a shame criticism of the NHS helps the left (though it's almost certainly so, unfortunately).

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:
- Hollande will almost certainly win.
- Hollande, Sarkozy, lePen, Melenchon, and Bayrou seem like they'll be the only candidates to break 10%. It's very difficult for me to support any of the five, but the Front National scares me a bit, so I suppose I'll back Sarkozy as the most right-wing but not-scary person running. With luck, France will drift sane-right over time (a la American GOP minus social (religious, cultural, such as abortion, gay marriage) issues).
Didn't France try the American approach for past five years? Guess where they are now...
No, absolutely not. http://www.economist.com/node/12607041?story_id=12607041
The economist is a right-wing news agency. Might as well ask Glenn Beck about it. Just the mention of Europe will have neutrons firing off Socialism in his brain. This is pretty much like calling Obama a socialist.
The Economist does tilt to the right, but this article includes the following specific excerpts I was trying to point out:

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I think most Democrats wouldn't even contemplate some of the actions in the first paragraph (though, then again, some would). And then, in the second paragraph, we see Moscovici saying Sarkozy isn't left-wing enough, which proves my basic point.

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:

In the coming months ?? The countdown in my sig indicates the number of days left, FYI.

I feel dumb; you got me. Somehow I was under the impression that the first round would take place in July and the runoff in August -- stupid here.

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Even if you exclude social issues, the GOP is still insane. Even the UMP is saner on that regard.

To a French Socialist, the UMP is "saner" than the GOP. To somebody who would be critical of a nationwide universal health-care plan, critical of a lack of nationwide gun rights, and so on and so forth, the GOP is "saner" than the UMP.
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« Reply #1817 on: April 18, 2012, 07:45:08 AM »

polls trends seems clear : MLP will be close-to-close with NS sunday.

Maybe a final FH-MLP?
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« Reply #1818 on: April 18, 2012, 10:24:14 AM »

Who would win in a hypothetical second round between Mélenchon and Le Pen?
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« Reply #1819 on: April 18, 2012, 10:43:42 AM »

Who would win in a hypothetical second round between Mélenchon and Le Pen?

Mélenchon, I think.
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« Reply #1820 on: April 18, 2012, 12:59:56 PM »

It's pretty ridiculous that no pollster's polled these hypothetical match-ups.
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« Reply #1821 on: April 18, 2012, 02:09:05 PM »

polls trends seems clear : MLP will be close-to-close with NS sunday.

Maybe a final FH-MLP?

I don't know where you get this idea from, but it isn't backed by any data. Sarko is gonna finish 10+ points higher than Le Pen unless something changes dramatically.


It's pretty ridiculous that no pollster's polled these hypothetical match-ups.

Not, it isn't. The likelihood of such scenario is neglectable.
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« Reply #1822 on: April 18, 2012, 02:46:30 PM »

Maybe CSA which seems to be trolling around with a 58-42 runoff and Sarko at 24%.

On a side note, I got sent the ballots and campaign lit for all candidates by the embassy.
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« Reply #1823 on: April 18, 2012, 04:11:22 PM »

Maybe CSA which seems to be trolling around with a 58-42 runoff and Sarko at 24%.

Looks like CSA will once again be the epic fail of this election.
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« Reply #1824 on: April 18, 2012, 04:19:03 PM »

Maybe CSA which seems to be trolling around with a 58-42 runoff and Sarko at 24%.

Looks like CSA will once again be the epic fail of this election.

Imagine if François actually won 58-42 though... We can dream.
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