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« Reply #1775 on: April 17, 2012, 11:40:12 am »
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I know it's not the best story to have a prominent member of your party broadcast that they are voting against you but is this really bad for Sarkozy overall? Isn't Chirac unpopular?

No, he's become very popular since he left office.

(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)
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« Reply #1776 on: April 17, 2012, 11:42:06 am »
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(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that Smiley
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« Reply #1777 on: April 17, 2012, 11:46:18 am »
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(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that Smiley

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« Reply #1778 on: April 17, 2012, 11:53:39 am »
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(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that Smiley

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Italians are even dumber, however. Wink
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« Reply #1779 on: April 17, 2012, 11:56:20 am »
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(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that Smiley

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Italians are even dumber, however. Wink

I don't know if they are dumber but I always laughed with an anecdote a friend of mine told me when we were in the Navy:

-What book you won't find in any library of the world, even the biggest and more prestigious ones?

-"Italy's Military Triumphs".
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« Reply #1780 on: April 17, 2012, 11:57:48 am »
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(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that Smiley

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Italians are even dumber, however. Wink

I don't know if they are dumber but I always laughed with an anecdote a friend of mine told me when we were in the Navy:

-What book you won't find in any library of the world, even the biggest and more prestigious ones?

-"Italy's Military Triumphs".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire
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« Reply #1781 on: April 17, 2012, 12:04:20 pm »
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(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that Smiley

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Italians are even dumber, however. Wink

And you say this about your own blood. Disgraceful. Anyway, let's get back on topic, boys: Sarkozy will be re-elected.
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« Reply #1782 on: April 17, 2012, 12:12:08 pm »
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Actually this deserves a facepalm but because I'm in good mood today I'll just say to you that we are talking about the state of Italy which was founded in 1861.
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« Reply #1783 on: April 17, 2012, 12:26:54 pm »
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Actually this deserves a facepalm but because I'm in good mood today I'll just say to you that we are talking about the state of Italy which was founded in 1861.
...as a result of some smashing military victories.

Against Austrians and other Italians, admittedly, so I guess it doesn't count, but still. Smiley

Anyhow, lol Chirac. Oh well, he is from the Chiraquerie after all.
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« Reply #1784 on: April 17, 2012, 12:28:43 pm »
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Well let's check the record; the reunified Italy actually won most of its wars (if only because they tended to pick on weak opponents or choose the winning side).

Won:

Austro-Prussian War (on a technicality)
Occupation of the Papal States
Occupation of Eritrea
Boxer Rebellion
Italo-Ottoman War
World War I
Second Italo-Ethiopian War
Occupation of Albania

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First Italo-Ethiopian War
World War II
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« Reply #1785 on: April 17, 2012, 12:30:37 pm »
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Is Sarkozy likely to get much momentum if he pips Hollande in the first round?
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« Reply #1786 on: April 17, 2012, 12:34:49 pm »
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Well let's check the record; the reunified Italy actually won most of its wars (if only because they tended to pick on weak opponents or choose the winning side).

Won:

Austro-Prussian War (on a technicality)
Occupation of the Papal States
Occupation of Eritrea
Boxer Rebellion
Italo-Ottoman War
World War I
Second Italo-Ethiopian War
Occupation of Albania

Lost:

First Italo-Ethiopian War
World War II

LOL! Yeah, come tell me how many wars Italians won. I am very impressed.
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« Reply #1787 on: April 17, 2012, 12:38:56 pm »
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0.01% ? ROFL Grin

So, the final version of your tracker will only include polls from today to friday 20 ? How many can we expect in these 5 days ?

I'll keep, for 50%, all the polls of the previous week too.
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« Reply #1788 on: April 17, 2012, 03:21:25 pm »
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Well let's check the record; the reunified Italy actually won most of its wars (if only because they tended to pick on weak opponents or choose the winning side).

Won:

Austro-Prussian War (on a technicality)
Occupation of the Papal States
Occupation of Eritrea
Boxer Rebellion
Italo-Ottoman War
World War I
Second Italo-Ethiopian War
Occupation of Albania

Lost:

First Italo-Ethiopian War
World War II

LOL! Yeah, come tell me how many wars Italians won. I am very impressed.


I am here to contest the claim that the Second Italo-Ethiopian War was "won" by Italy.
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« Reply #1789 on: April 17, 2012, 03:27:00 pm »
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I predicted a 51.5% to 48.5% win for Hollande back in January....I think I'm sticking by that.
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« Reply #1790 on: April 17, 2012, 03:45:34 pm »
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Actually this deserves a facepalm but because I'm in good mood today I'll just say to you that we are talking about the state of Italy which was founded in 1861.
...as a result of some smashing military victories.

Against Austrians and other Italians, admittedly, so I guess it doesn't count, but still. Smiley

The French won the 1859 war for them and their ineptness on the battlefield in 1866 arguably cost them Venezia Giulia and Trentino at that date. So it certainly doesn't count Wink
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« Reply #1791 on: April 17, 2012, 04:04:04 pm »
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I predicted a 51.5% to 48.5% win for Hollande back in January....I think I'm sticking by that.

Probably generous to Sarko there
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« Reply #1792 on: April 17, 2012, 04:05:14 pm »
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If Hollande wins, he's the first left-winger in one of the big EU countries to win without swinging right since...?
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« Reply #1793 on: April 17, 2012, 04:07:28 pm »
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(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that Smiley

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And you say this about your own blood. Disgraceful. Anyway, let's get back on topic, boys: Sarkozy will be re-elected.

Being loyal to my origins doesn't mean being deluded about my compatriots. Fact is, all the people of all countries in the earth are, in majority, a bunch of idiots. Recognizing this historical truth doesn't mean betraying them or rejecting them (since, fundamentally, it is not really their fault but that of the society they grew into).
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« Reply #1794 on: April 17, 2012, 04:08:18 pm »
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If Hollande wins, he's the first left-winger in one of the big EU countries to win without swinging right since...?

Jospin, I guess. Wink
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« Reply #1795 on: April 17, 2012, 04:32:20 pm »
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I don't understand either Phil or Wormyguy's presence in this thread.
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« Reply #1796 on: April 17, 2012, 04:34:18 pm »
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Daniel Hannan's take on this election:

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The truth is that France faces a choice between two socialists. Both favour a command economy, a measure of protectionism, entrenched entitlements ('les acquis sociaux'), deeper European integration, and a dirigiste state. No wonder they argue so fiercely about immigration: that's virtually the only area where they disagree. Bonnet blanc et blanc bonnet, as they say in France. Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dumber.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100150853/if-nicolas-sarkozy-thinks-the-ft-is-a-free-market-newspaper-hes-even-more-extreme-than-we-realised/
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« Reply #1797 on: April 17, 2012, 04:37:29 pm »
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Daniel Hannan's take on this election:

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The truth is that France faces a choice between two socialists. Both favour a command economy, a measure of protectionism, entrenched entitlements ('les acquis sociaux'), deeper European integration, and a dirigiste state. No wonder they argue so fiercely about immigration: that's virtually the only area where they disagree. Bonnet blanc et blanc bonnet, as they say in France. Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dumber.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100150853/if-nicolas-sarkozy-thinks-the-ft-is-a-free-market-newspaper-hes-even-more-extreme-than-we-realised/

I don't think I could hate a Tory as much a Dan Hannan. And I don't think any are that deluded.
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« Reply #1798 on: April 17, 2012, 04:43:44 pm »
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Why introduce that lunatic? Tongue
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« Reply #1799 on: April 17, 2012, 04:43:54 pm »
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Daniel Hannan's take on this election:

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The truth is that France faces a choice between two socialists. Both favour a command economy, a measure of protectionism, entrenched entitlements ('les acquis sociaux'), deeper European integration, and a dirigiste state. No wonder they argue so fiercely about immigration: that's virtually the only area where they disagree. Bonnet blanc et blanc bonnet, as they say in France. Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dumber.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100150853/if-nicolas-sarkozy-thinks-the-ft-is-a-free-market-newspaper-hes-even-more-extreme-than-we-realised/

I don't think I could hate a Tory as much a Dan Hannan. And I don't think any are that deluded.

I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.
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