France 2012: the official thread

[Keystone Phil]

I know it's not the best story to have a prominent member of your party broadcast that they are voting against you but is this really bad for Sarkozy overall? Isn't Chirac unpopular?

[Californian Tony]

I know it's not the best story to have a prominent member of your party broadcast that they are voting against you but is this really bad for Sarkozy overall? Isn't Chirac unpopular?

No, he's become very popular since he left office.

(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

[I left.]

(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that

[Keystone Phil]

(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that

[Californian Tony]

(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that

Italians are even dumber, however.

[Landslide Lyndon]

(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that

Italians are even dumber, however.

I don't know if they are dumber but I always laughed with an anecdote a friend of mine told me when we were in the Navy:

-What book you won't find in any library of the world, even the biggest and more prestigious ones?

-"Italy's Military Triumphs".

[crypto-fascist superhero]

(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that

Italians are even dumber, however.

I don't know if they are dumber but I always laughed with an anecdote a friend of mine told me when we were in the Navy:

-What book you won't find in any library of the world, even the biggest and more prestigious ones?

-"Italy's Military Triumphs".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire

[Keystone Phil]

(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that

Italians are even dumber, however.

And you say this about your own blood. Disgraceful. Anyway, let's get back on topic, boys: Sarkozy will be re-elected.

[Landslide Lyndon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire

Actually this deserves a facepalm but because I'm in good mood today I'll just say to you that we are talking about the state of Italy which was founded in 1861.

[Vasall des Midas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire

Actually this deserves a facepalm but because I'm in good mood today I'll just say to you that we are talking about the state of Italy which was founded in 1861.

...as a result of some smashing military victories.

Against Austrians and other Italians, admittedly, so I guess it doesn't count, but still.

Anyhow, lol Chirac. Oh well, he is from the Chiraquerie after all.

[crypto-fascist superhero]

Well let's check the record; the reunified Italy actually won most of its wars (if only because they tended to pick on weak opponents or choose the winning side).

Won:

Austro-Prussian War (on a technicality)
Occupation of the Papal States
Occupation of Eritrea
Boxer Rebellion
Italo-Ottoman War
World War I
Second Italo-Ethiopian War
Occupation of Albania

Lost:

First Italo-Ethiopian War
World War II

[YL]

Is Sarkozy likely to get much momentum if he pips Hollande in the first round?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Well let's check the record; the reunified Italy actually won most of its wars (if only because they tended to pick on weak opponents or choose the winning side).

Won:

Austro-Prussian War (on a technicality)
Occupation of the Papal States
Occupation of Eritrea
Boxer Rebellion
Italo-Ottoman War
World War I
Second Italo-Ethiopian War
Occupation of Albania

Lost:

First Italo-Ethiopian War
World War II

LOL! Yeah, come tell me how many wars Italians won. I am very impressed.

[big bad fab]

0.01% ? ROFL

So, the final version of your tracker will only include polls from today to friday 20 ? How many can we expect in these 5 days ?

I'll keep, for 50%, all the polls of the previous week too.

[Simfan34]

Well let's check the record; the reunified Italy actually won most of its wars (if only because they tended to pick on weak opponents or choose the winning side).

Won:

Austro-Prussian War (on a technicality)
Occupation of the Papal States
Occupation of Eritrea
Boxer Rebellion
Italo-Ottoman War
World War I
Second Italo-Ethiopian War
Occupation of Albania

Lost:

First Italo-Ethiopian War
World War II

LOL! Yeah, come tell me how many wars Italians won. I am very impressed.

I am here to contest the claim that the Second Italo-Ethiopian War was "won" by Italy.

[State Comptroller Atkins]

I predicted a 51.5% to 48.5% win for Hollande back in January....I think I'm sticking by that.

[Insula Dei]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire

Actually this deserves a facepalm but because I'm in good mood today I'll just say to you that we are talking about the state of Italy which was founded in 1861.

...as a result of some smashing military victories.

Against Austrians and other Italians, admittedly, so I guess it doesn't count, but still.

The French won the 1859 war for them and their ineptness on the battlefield in 1866 arguably cost them Venezia Giulia and Trentino at that date. So it certainly doesn't count

[You kip if you want to...]

I predicted a 51.5% to 48.5% win for Hollande back in January....I think I'm sticking by that.

Probably generous to Sarko there

[You kip if you want to...]

If Hollande wins, he's the first left-winger in one of the big EU countries to win without swinging right since...?

[Californian Tony]

(...which comes as a confirmation of the fact the French are morons, but that's besides the point)

I'm sure Phil will have no trouble agreeing with that

Italians are even dumber, however.

And you say this about your own blood. Disgraceful. Anyway, let's get back on topic, boys: Sarkozy will be re-elected.

Being loyal to my origins doesn't mean being deluded about my compatriots. Fact is, all the people of all countries in the earth are, in majority, a bunch of idiots. Recognizing this historical truth doesn't mean betraying them or rejecting them (since, fundamentally, it is not really their fault but that of the society they grew into).

[Californian Tony]

If Hollande wins, he's the first left-winger in one of the big EU countries to win without swinging right since...?

Jospin, I guess.

[President Marokai]

I don't understand either Phil or Wormyguy's presence in this thread.

[State Comptroller Atkins]

Daniel Hannan's take on this election:

The truth is that France faces a choice between two socialists. Both favour a command economy, a measure of protectionism, entrenched entitlements ('les acquis sociaux'), deeper European integration, and a dirigiste state. No wonder they argue so fiercely about immigration: that's virtually the only area where they disagree. Bonnet blanc et blanc bonnet, as they say in France. Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dumber.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100150853/if-nicolas-sarkozy-thinks-the-ft-is-a-free-market-newspaper-hes-even-more-extreme-than-we-realised/

[You kip if you want to...]

Daniel Hannan's take on this election:

The truth is that France faces a choice between two socialists. Both favour a command economy, a measure of protectionism, entrenched entitlements ('les acquis sociaux'), deeper European integration, and a dirigiste state. No wonder they argue so fiercely about immigration: that's virtually the only area where they disagree. Bonnet blanc et blanc bonnet, as they say in France. Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dumber.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100150853/if-nicolas-sarkozy-thinks-the-ft-is-a-free-market-newspaper-hes-even-more-extreme-than-we-realised/

I don't think I could hate a Tory as much a Dan Hannan. And I don't think any are that deluded.

[Leftbehind]

Why introduce that lunatic?