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  Who was the most authoritarian U.S. President?
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« on: January 18, 2011, 01:18:40 PM »

A close run thing between Bush Jr. and Wilson, imo.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 01:48:39 PM »

Dubya of course.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2011, 02:00:56 PM »

Wilson by a hundred miles. Reagan shouldn't be on this list.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2011, 02:04:03 PM »

Wilson but only because mass media was somewhat able to keep Dumbya in check. I'd imagine Shrub would be worse than Wilson in Wilson's era, and by worse I mean something worse than segregation for certain citizen classes and demographics.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2011, 02:07:00 PM »

Again, a close tie between Wilson and Dubya. Ultimately Dubya, though.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2011, 02:14:27 PM »

How much of what Bush did was authoritarian really?  I fully agree he is an authoritarian, but other than the Patriot Act, I'm at a loss.  I'm probably hugely neglecting some pretty obvious things, but I haven't thought about Bush in a while.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 02:28:32 PM »

Other: Andy Jackson
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2011, 02:56:25 PM »

Wilson by a hundred miles. Reagan shouldn't be on this list.

The deficit? The War on Drugs? Social collectivism? Foreign interventionism on a scale greater than Vietnam? How utterly libertarian!
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 03:00:14 PM »

Dubya and Wilson are both top contenders, though I'd say the prize would have to go to Richard Nixon. I mean the guy actually said, "If the President does it, it's not illegal" and his actions show he seemed to actually believe it.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2011, 03:11:30 PM »

How much of what Bush did was authoritarian really?  I fully agree he is an authoritarian, but other than the Patriot Act, I'm at a loss.  I'm probably hugely neglecting some pretty obvious things, but I haven't thought about Bush in a while.

He declared he was 'the decider'.
His use of signing statements to disregard congress and do things the way he wanted.
His use of executive order to give the feds greater wiretapping power because he felt the law was in the way
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 03:12:16 PM »


You know....just because the Left hates him, doesn't make it true necessarily. I can't recall Dubya putting political opponents in jail, for example.

It seems obvious that Wilson wins this prize easily.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2011, 03:17:11 PM »

You know....just because the Left hates him, doesn't make it true necessarily. I can't recall Dubya putting political opponents in jail, for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 03:19:57 PM »

Um, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and also ignored a court order overturning the same suspension. Shouldn't he at least be included in this poll?
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2011, 03:20:25 PM »

You know....just because the Left hates him, doesn't make it true necessarily. I can't recall Dubya putting political opponents in jail, for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

Which political opponents were put there? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2011, 03:25:41 PM »


You know....just because the Left hates him, doesn't make it true necessarily.
It seems obvious that Wilson wins this prize easily.

As one poster put it earlier "Wilson's actions against anti-war protestors in the 1910's would make even the most ardent civil libertarians beg for the Bush Patriot Act in comparison".
I mean damn it left wingers at least Bush Jr. had the media on his ass if he did something, Wilson probably would have all of their asses thrown in prison for "subversion".

I find it surprising however that Lincoln isn't listed in the poll, for the same reasons mentioned by Old Europe.
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2011, 03:29:55 PM »

Wilson by a hundred miles. Reagan shouldn't be on this list.

The deficit? The War on Drugs? Social collectivism? Foreign interventionism on a scale greater than Vietnam? How utterly libertarian!


Why isn't Abe Lincoln who obliterated habeus corpus on this list or John Adams who passed the draconian Alien and Sedition Act? Adams even had his VP speak out against him via the 1798 Kentucky Resolution. Or Clinton for his regular foreign interventions
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2011, 04:02:42 PM »

Wilson. Dubya had the media to keep him in check and had to worry about a tight re-election.
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2011, 05:14:27 PM »

You know....just because the Left hates him, doesn't make it true necessarily. I can't recall Dubya putting political opponents in jail, for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

Which political opponents were put there? Roll Eyes

^^^^

Obamaisdabest is insulting actual political opponents there. But I suppose he considers terrorists to be "political opponents" when a Republican is president...Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2011, 05:33:25 PM »

You know....just because the Left hates him, doesn't make it true necessarily. I can't recall Dubya putting political opponents in jail, for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

Which political opponents were put there? Roll Eyes

^^^^

Obamaisdabest is insulting actual political opponents there. But I suppose he considers terrorists to be "political opponents" when a Republican is president...Roll Eyes

And when a Democrat is President.
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2011, 05:36:05 PM »

between the internment camps and the assaults on economic liberty and the independent judiciary, I'd have to go with FDR.
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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2011, 05:39:38 PM »

Hate to make the case in Nixon's favor, but in this case I'll make an exception. I can't remember any other administration where soldiers actually shot protestors. Imprisoned, yes, but they were still alive at the end of it.
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2011, 06:08:51 PM »
« Edited: January 18, 2011, 06:16:21 PM by Frink »

Wilson by a hundred miles. Reagan shouldn't be on this list.

The deficit? The War on Drugs? Social collectivism? Foreign interventionism on a scale greater than Vietnam? How utterly libertarian!


Why isn't Abe Lincoln who obliterated habeus corpus on this list
or John Adams who passed the draconian Alien and Sedition Act? Adams even had his VP speak out against him via the 1798 Kentucky Resolution. Or Clinton for his regular foreign interventions


Because its completely constitutional for the congress to suspend habeus corpus in the case of rebellion. Authoritarian? Yes, but if its constitutional its automatically considered not authoritarian in the political discourse of the United States.
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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2011, 06:23:12 PM »

Wilson was pretty much a fascist.
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2011, 06:35:07 PM »

No I beg to differ. When the Southern States secedded they became sovereign countries in their own right. When they ratified the Confedrate Constuition they formed the Confederate States of America, an independent sovereign country. Lincoln and the Northern States committed an aggressive war. The War for Southern Independance was not all about slavery. It was an act of terrorism by an industrialized north that wanted high  tarriffs that would have suppressed Southern agrarian interests.


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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2011, 06:36:27 PM »

FDR.

Court stacking and Japanese-American internment.
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