OLD: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (See new thread: Reference Only)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Also, how is the time of the journey from the individual's home to be measured? 45 minutes by car is pretty different to a 45 minutes walk.

This is precisely why I think we need an independent administration to ensure the application of this bill. I don't think the law should (or could) determine every single detail of the insturance system. Besides the fact setting too specifical and precise requirement would make the this bill even bigger and require decades to finish it, I think only precise institutions which are in touch to the reality can be able to determine the appropriate requirements and interpret the law in the best way.

[Oakvale]

Also, how is the time of the journey from the individual's home to be measured? 45 minutes by car is pretty different to a 45 minutes walk.

This is precisely why I think we need an independent administration to ensure the application of this bill. I don't think the law should (or could) determine every single detail of the insturance system. Besides the fact setting too specifical and precise requirement would make the this bill even bigger and require decades to finish it, I think only precise institutions which are in touch to the reality can be able to determine the appropriate requirements and interpret the law in the best way.

Agreed. I'd suggest taking the specified time out altogether - leave a vague notion of "reasonable" to be decided on a case-by-case basis with the local bureau's judgement.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The previous amendment has passed.


Considering, the differences in "reasonable" drive time between say New York City and Tennessee, I would think it prudent to place that responsibility of determining what is reasonable and what isn't at the feet of the local administrators.


Amendment time again?

[Antonio the Sixth]

...


Ok, what about this ?


8. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall provide registered unemployed individual with reasonable employment proposals. To be considered as reasonable, those proposals shall meet following requirements:   
    a) A salary equivalent to at least 90% of the individual's current revenue provided by the Unemployment Insurance Administration.
    b) A time necessary to reach workplace from the individual's home inferior to 1 hour. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall be able to set inferior time limits on a local and case-by case basis.
    c) A domain corresponding to the individual's qualifications.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Sounds pretty good if you ask me. 

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Sounds pretty good if you ask me. 

yes that amendment is good.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Naturally, amendment have my fullest possible support

[Oakvale]

I've got no objection to the amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

For future reference, whenever a bill's sponsor introduces an amendment, could the sponsor state something to that effect when introducing it.


Senators have 24 hours to object to the amendment.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, yeah. I hereby officially introduce this Amendment bla bla bla...

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well they say the French are often unfashionably late.


The amendment has been adopted.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

which of these insurances are new and which replace existing systems?

[Antonio the Sixth]

which of these insurances are new and which replace existing systems?

I honestly don't know. But the main point is precisely to create a consistent welfare system replacing several uncoordinated structures.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Well they say the French are often unfashionably late.

Considering how long this bill has been in debate, I don't think it's just the French.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well they say the French are often unfashionably late.

Considering how long this bill has been in debate, I don't think it's just the French.

Well yes and no. I was referring to him accepting the amendment as friendly after the 24 hours was done. I realize he was being sarcastic most likely since it was beyond unnecesary to do hence why I responded with sarcasm in kind.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

which of these insurances are new and which replace existing systems?

I honestly don't know. But the main point is precisely to create a consistent welfare system replacing several uncoordinated structures.

Does anyone know what current welfare systems we currently have in place?

[Marokai Backbeat]

which of these insurances are new and which replace existing systems?

I honestly don't know. But the main point is precisely to create a consistent welfare system replacing several uncoordinated structures.

Does anyone know what current welfare systems we currently have in place?

We have assistance programs for home energy, government provided student loans instead of private ones, we have national healthcare programs (Medicare and Medicaid are gone), we have housing vouchers and public housing, food stamp programs, old-age pension programs, unemployment compensation, etc. Really, the usual stuff.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I had been under the thought that if I were to set hard deadlines they would be ignored. However this has gotten ridiculous on this bill. Unless significant action (amendments of substantial nature are offered) is taken by Saturday (maybe Friday if I am in that bad a mood), I shall open a final vote on this "AS IS".

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Yes, yes, I'm here and indeed following the general gist of the debate.

Again, specific questions are always a plus.

How much revenue would the taxes included in this bill raise and how much will it cost to fund the programs included?

Basically one of those simple boilerplate CBO tra...er reports .


"This bill raises X in revenues and spends X" 

are we still pursuing this question?  the payroll tax rates in this bill are incredibly burdensome and would make taxes less progressive.

[Badger]

Yes, yes, I'm here and indeed following the general gist of the debate.

Again, specific questions are always a plus.

How much revenue would the taxes included in this bill raise and how much will it cost to fund the programs included?

Basically one of those simple boilerplate CBO tra...er reports .


"This bill raises X in revenues and spends X" 

are we still pursuing this question?  the payroll tax rates in this bill are incredibly burdensome and would make taxes less progressive.

Whoops! I'd completely forgotten about this after delegating Jbrase to start looking at it. I forgot to follow up after my trial and other craziness that very very crazy week. I'll do so now.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I had been under the thought that if I were to set hard deadlines they would be ignored. However this has gotten ridiculous on this bill. Unless significant action (amendments of substantial nature are offered) is taken by Saturday (maybe Friday if I am in that bad a mood), I shall open a final vote on this "AS IS".

If we want to fix the tax issues we have to wait for Badger. Besides that, the bill is fine with me.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Growls angrily


Badger better not get a case of the slows on this one.

[Badger]

Growls angrily


Badger better not get a case of the slows on this one.

Sorry, sorry. Jbrase and I agreed to touch base over the weekend to discuss, but we all saw what happened....

I'll get on it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I never thought it would be so sexy and soothing to have fangs.

[Badger]

Swamped preparing for Exec Committee meeting. Won't be able to even look at bill until at least Wednesday night.