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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think Marokai's solution the combination issue has merit. It is also the quickest and easiest way to do it.


However, I need to know what others think and whether they would support it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

That's fine with me. "Employment Insurance" is also a far more optimist title.

So does this :

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...plus an universal $600 minimum work fine for everybody ?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Do you still seek to pursue this, Senator, now that MB has responded to your question?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That's fine with me. "Employment Insurance" is also a far more optimist title.

So does this :

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...plus an universal $600 minimum work fine for everybody ?

What about the maximum U err EI benefit? The current bill still has it at $4,000 I think. Your proposals back in July had $3,000 I think. My range is between $2,500 and $3,000.

By Universal minimum, do you mean, that is the lowest a person can go regardless of how long their lack of employment?

The % are the same as shua's which came to about $120 billion increase.

The universal $600 minimum is the unknown quanitity regarding to budget impact. 

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

First I'd like to ask if there'd be any support for this instead:

Section 5, Clause 5 is amended as follows:
Any registered employee losing its job shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration a monthly revenue amounting to:
a) 70% of the individual's previous salary during the first six months following the loss of a job
b) 60% of the individual's previous salary during the second six months following the loss of a job
c) $600/month during the second and third year following the loss of a job
Section 5, Clause 6 is amended as follows:
Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $2000 per month.

[Napoleon]

I support your amendment shua. I think it is ideal.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Thank you, Napoleon. Since I have at least one other person to support this, and I prefer it myself to my previous amendment, I'd like to withdraw that amendment and replace it with this.

Section 5, Clause 5 is amended as follows:
Any registered employee losing its job shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration a monthly revenue amounting to:
a) 70% of the individual's previous salary during the first six months following the loss of a job
b) 60% of the individual's previous salary during the second six months following the loss of a job
c) $600/month during the second and third year following the loss of a job
Section 5, Clause 6 is amended as follows:
Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $2000 per month.

[Antonio the Sixth]

From 60% to $600 after 1 year ? And absolutely nothing after 3 years ?


I can't support this.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I still don't see any incentives to re-train or go back to work?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I still don't see any incentives to re-train or go back to work?

What do you suggest?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Amendment 44:24 is withdrawn.

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[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I still don't see any incentives to re-train or go back to work?

What do you suggest?

I suggested small grants or low-interest loans for people to re-train.

[Ban my account ffs!]

In real life, counties typically have job search/training centers.  Why shouldn't we make use of these in the SS bill in order to re-train workers.  The centers are good in that they also provide materials and support for the job search.

The SS bill could provide further grants to these job search/training centers that counties can apply for.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

So job center grants and low-interest loans? I'd support that, but it might make sense to do a seperate bill. It would be easy to come to an agreement on that whether or not this bill passes, and I don't see how it fits into the unemployment insurance structure.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

So job center grants and low-interest loans? I'd support that, but it might make sense to do a seperate bill. It would be easy to come to an agreement on that whether or not this bill passes, and I don't see how it fits into the unemployment insurance structure.

I think a separate Bill might be reasonable...

[Antonio the Sixth]

The bill does have incentives for job recovery or training. Plenty of.

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

As I was sitting in class this morning, my mind drifted to Polnut's desire for worker retraining. And something kept bugging, like a Deja Vu feeling concerning this issue.

Now I know why.

I wrote clause 11 of that section.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

However, it it doesn't really provide any boost or anything to the matter. Those provisions only establish a requirement as condition for receiving benefits.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Since the worker retraining issue is clearly going to be separate (either in a different clause, section, or bill) from the matter on which shua's amendment deals, I am going to go ahead and open a vote on it.


Senators, a vote is now open on Amendment 44:31, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Napoleon]

Aye

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aye

[Antonio the Sixth]

Nay

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Very reluctant Aye.

[bgwah]

nay