OLD: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (See new thread: Reference Only)

[Antonio the Sixth]

SO CONFUSING.  Why can't we just rewrite the bill and reintroduce it?

It's not going to pass before Antonio leaves

I knew that's the way it was going to end up... It will be up to you guys soon.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The problem is, who alone would desire to rewrite all this and reintroduce it? It would take a group of people to work collaboratively or a fear the result would be the same.

[Napoleon]

I would. We still haven't addressed a way to properly phase in this bill and phase out current systems. I will be introducing an amendment soon enough.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Probably dead in the water here, but here goes nothing.


Marginal Income based % of _______________
0-14,999        90%       0-13,499.1
15,000-34,999   65%        13,000      
35,000-74,999   40%        16,000
75,000-and up   0%    


Average person making $50,000 a year would get the first $13,499.1, plus $13,000 in the second bracket, and $6,000 out of the third bracket which is $32,498 or $2799.17 a month.

Minimum Payment: $1500 ($0)        Maximum: 3,000 ($3,541.59)

Parenthesis are the minimum and maximum produced on either extreme by the brackets. I didn't want to tweak it any further, since the stated min and max in the bill would basically put a floor and ceiling on payments anyway.

It still doesn't have a metric of income to base it off of (Avg income, highest income in past 10, 15 yrs, etc etc etc).

[Antonio the Sixth]

That seems quite good to me. A bit complicated to draft though, but that's your job now.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well the top part is trash, leftovers from another experiment I abandoned. Other then that, it isn't really that complicated. I'll get on it sometime today.

The problem is what to use to calculate the income. I really haven't the slightest idea. That 50,000 could be from an avg over the last 5 years or 10 years. It could be that persons highest income earned ever. And so forth.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

This bill is ridiculous. Kudos to whoever has the time and drive to rewrite it. Just PM me when the final vote is held.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor Feedback: Friendly
Status: Awaiting declaration of 24 hour objection period

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Before Antonio responds to the procedural question regarding the amendment, I want him and everyone to review the text, look for mistakes and point them out prior to giving that feedback. That way, I can alter the text without having to start over. Keep in mind, the new Senate starts tomorrow and once feeback is given, BK could pop in and start a vote at any point.


Pay particular attention to clause 12, an idea for phasing in this program. I am open to other ideas on that.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Damn, we lose Antonio tomorrow, too.


I would like to assume sponsorship of this when the time comes, if possible. I would seek to reflect Antonio's wishes where possible (Did you really think you could escape the Senate? ).

[Antonio the Sixth]

I've read the text of your Amendment and it seems all right. Then, of course I'm not the best one when it comes to judging the quality of an english text.

Anyways, friendly.

That's probably my last action as Senator.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object to Amendment 44:41.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

With a formal request to transfer sponsorship to NC Yankee, Senators have 72 hours to object to the transfer of sponsorship.

Another of Marokai Blue's Recommendations:

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Sponsor Feedback: SB 4729101 ERROR, No sponsor was found in the database during the timeout period, please insert new Sponsor parameters.
Status: Sitting on this till the other one is finished.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Text on page 19: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=131056.msg2947844#msg2947844

Section 6 has been eliminated: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=131056.msg2951264#msg2951264

No other changes have been entered that I can see, yet.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Yankee, may I ask why the proposal to keep the ANHA as it is? I thought we had discussed that the funding mechanism as is isn't sustainable.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Yankee, may I ask why the proposal to keep the ANHA as it is? I thought we had discussed that the funding mechanism as is isn't sustainable.

I know and I agree.  This bill as currently constructed would shut down all previous welfare agencies and such, including the health care law's and then create a new healthcare bureacracy. Too me that just seems to double down on the ramping up and setup costs incurred as part of the healthcare law. Instead of doing that, this amendment would keep the previous structures in place as established in that previous act. We can then go in and change the funding mechanism only.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Amendment 44:41 has passed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I need to consult the OSPR as to whether we can friendly amend bills when the sponsorship is in transition.

I am talking with the honourable fmr. Senator shua with regards to the health care funding issue. A decision will be made whether to pursue that issue through Section 4 of this bill or whether to address it in separate legislation.

Also we still haven't resolved the UI issue. I plan to go back through the statements and see if one last attempt at an agreement can be made on that. With another amendment on that probably tomorrow or Thursday.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

After reviewing the OSPR the only section that provides for transfering sponsorship is done so for the purposes of the sponsor withdrawing. It states that a SEantors has 72 hours from the motion to withdraw a bill and then a 48 hour objection period shall be declared. If there is a section I am missing that also deals with this, please state so.


Since I declared a 72 hour objection period instead of a 48 hour one, I will honour the 72 hour declaration I made on Sunday and commence at the earliest practicable instant on Wednesday following to make the necessary motions to push forward. At that point, BK may be back in the saddle but I may be able to get away with declaring a 24 hour objection period if necessary on the amendment, 45-3 if necessary.

[bgwah]

Yankee is now this bill's sponsor.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Okay, now you can call 24 hours on Amendment 45-3, since it is now a sponsor originated amendment.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Okay, now you can call 24 hours on Amendment 45-3, since it is now a sponsor originated amendment.

Perhaps it would be best if Bgwah were to start a new thread for this bill.  Put the current text of the bill along with any amendments under consideration in there and also a link to this thread.

I could then lock this thread and it would be available only for reference.

That way Bgwah can change the subject line and people won't be so overwhelmed.

Afterall, the bill is being re-re-re-introduced and now with a new sponsor...

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Yes, you are probably right. I certainly wouldn't complain considering how hard it is to navigate so many pages on my connection.

[Napoleon]

Okay, now you can call 24 hours on Amendment 45-3, since it is now a sponsor originated amendment.

Perhaps it would be best if Bgwah were to start a new thread for this bill.  Put the current text of the bill along with any amendments under consideration in there and also a link to this thread.

I could then lock this thread and it would be available only for reference.

That way Bgwah can change the subject line and people won't be so overwhelmed.

Afterall, the bill is being re-re-re-introduced and now with a new sponsor...

Thank you! I've been saying this forever.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I would favor that. At it is, this bill is too much of a mess for many of us to tackle in its current state.