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MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Failed)
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February 03, 2011, 01:29:35 am »
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Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill
1) Possession of open containers of alcohol and the consumption of alcohol by persons eighteen years of age or older in public open space and when riding on public transportation shall no longer be prohibited. All laws prohibiting the above are hereby repealed.
2) This act shall not be construed to allow possession of open containers of alcohol or the consumption of alcohol in public buildings or in private vehicles.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 03:30:47 pm »
Considering I have myself consumed alcohol in public a few times (and even on public transportation) I say it'd hypocritial of me not to support this.
I do of course understand that some people find it uneasy and disturbing to have people consuming alcohol in public, however a lot of people also find smoking in public uneasy and disturbing, but I don't believe there is any support for banning smoking on squares or in parks, and I think it'd be unreasonable to have two different legal standards on them. I'm also aware that intoxicated people can sometimes behave in a very bad manner, but it's their behevaior that should be unlawful, not the things they drank to make them behave in that way.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 03:35:02 pm »
Actually though, as we do not allow smoking on busses and trains, I'd like to see "public transportation" removed from the statue. As I said, I don't believe in two different standards.
I herby propose that the text be amended to read:
Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill
1) Possession of open containers of alcohol and the consumption of alcohol by persons eighteen years of age or older in public open space shall no longer be prohibited. All laws prohibiting the above are hereby repealed
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2) This act shall not be construed to allow possession of open containers of alcohol or the consumption of alcohol in public buildings or in private vehicles.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 04:01:09 pm »
Voting is on the Amendment. This will be a 24 hour vote:
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The text is amended to read:
Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill
1) Possession of open containers of alcohol and the consumption of alcohol by persons eighteen years of age or older in public open space shall no longer be prohibited. All laws prohibiting the above are hereby repealed.
2) This act shall not be construed to allow possession of open containers of alcohol or the consumption of alcohol in public buildings or in private vehicles.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 04:01:39 pm »
AYE
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 04:07:08 pm »
Aye
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 04:12:13 pm »
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 04:53:37 pm »
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"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 05:06:33 pm »
AYE
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 06:47:13 pm »
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 03, 2011, 04:01:39 pm
AYE
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 03, 2011, 05:06:33 pm
AYE
were we voting on two things?
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"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
- Justice Robert Jackson
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 06:59:45 pm »
Quote from: shua on February 03, 2011, 06:47:13 pm
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 03, 2011, 04:01:39 pm
AYE
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 03, 2011, 05:06:33 pm
AYE
were we voting on two things?
I just think Inks was a bit confused.
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Quote from: Objectif 289 on June 11, 2012, 07:40:20 am
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 03, 2011, 09:58:15 pm »
Nay, for the record.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 04, 2011, 01:52:22 pm »
Quote from: Swedish Cheese on February 03, 2011, 06:59:45 pm
Quote from: shua on February 03, 2011, 06:47:13 pm
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 03, 2011, 04:01:39 pm
AYE
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 03, 2011, 05:06:33 pm
AYE
were we voting on two things?
I just think Inks was a bit confused.
I don't even remember voting twice... weird.
On the motion to adopt the amendment, the AYEs are 4 and the NAYs are 1. They AYEs have it and the amendment is adopted.
After 24 hours of no debate, voting will begin.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 04, 2011, 05:02:53 pm »
I'm still slightly skeptic of this bill, though it is much better than the original. I agree with Inks of making possession and consumption an unenforced law so that the police can and will arrest those who are getting rowdy, disturbing others, etc. but those who are drinking responsibly and not causing any problems are allowed to drink in public.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 04, 2011, 06:14:09 pm »
Quote from: Governor of the Mideast A-Bob on February 04, 2011, 05:02:53 pm
I'm still slightly skeptic of this bill, though it is much better than the original. I agree with Inks of making possession and consumption an unenforced law so that the police can and will arrest those who are getting rowdy, disturbing others, etc. but those who are drinking responsibly and not causing any problems are allowed to drink in public.
Well my argument would naturally be that you don't need alcohol to behave badly in public. I know that in my RL town there are groups of young people that will roam the streets during the evenings, behaving loudly and intimidating, even without alcohol. Now their behavour is according to the law perfectly fine, even though it's extremly morally objectable. While on the other hand you have people who in the summer have a barbeque party in the park and who will drink a beer or two, who behaves as good as ever, but their actions are illegal, and they are illegal no matter how strictly the police decides to enforce it.
What I'm saying here is that it's not the alcohol that's the problem, but the way people use it.
I would like to make a comperation to gun control. Now there are a few people out there who acts like it's the gun itself that's the problem. It's not only the action of shooting a person, that they find objectable, it's owning a gun in the first place. Personally I think that's flawed thinking. It's not carrying the gun that should be illegal, it's using it to shoot an innocent person that should be. Likewise with alcohol. It's not drinking it in public that should be illegal, it's the behavoiur it might (but not always) lead to that should be illegal.
I'd also like to claim that what this bill would do is exactly to give police the ability to enforce good standards of behavoir. While the old law technically mandates police officers to arrest all and everyone that consume alcohol in public (granted we all now this isn't done) this law says that drinking in public is alright, as long as you don't get intoxicated. Now people that do behave badly in public due to alcohol are in most cases already beyond what is considered intoxication. So what this bill would do is to basicly say "drinking in public is alright, but if you get drunk and starts behaving like an idiot, we'll still bust you." In other, it won't do anything but to adjust the Mideast Statue to reality.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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Reply #15 on:
February 04, 2011, 10:36:40 pm »
would this bill allow alcohol in all city and regional parks?
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Debating)
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February 04, 2011, 10:37:24 pm »
Yes, every government area I believe
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Final Vote)
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February 06, 2011, 04:22:15 am »
Voting is now open on the bill:
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Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill
1) Possession of open containers of alcohol and the consumption of alcohol by persons eighteen years of age or older in public open space shall no longer be prohibited. All laws prohibiting the above are hereby repealed.
2) This act shall not be construed to allow possession of open containers of alcohol or the consumption of alcohol in public buildings or in private vehicles.
This will be a 48-hour vote.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Final Vote)
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February 06, 2011, 04:23:14 am »
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Final Vote)
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February 06, 2011, 07:30:45 am »
Aye
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Quote from: Comrade Sibboleth on June 11, 2012, 08:46:41 am
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Final Vote)
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February 06, 2011, 05:30:59 pm »
Nay
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"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Failed)
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February 08, 2011, 12:39:18 pm »
Voting is now closed. The AYEs are 1, and the NAYs are 2, with 2 not voting. The NAYs have it, and the bill is not passed.
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Re: MA: Freedom to Consume Alcohol in Public Bill (Failed)
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February 08, 2011, 08:48:13 pm »
Due to sickness, I missed the voting on this bill. For the record, I would have voted NAY.
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