Bush avoids visiting Switzerland

[Frink]

Why do people still waste their time over stuff like this? What happened during the Bush administration happened. We've spent the last decade anguishing over it. Just let it go. It's like pining over an ex that dumped you five years ago.

Indeed. The focus should have switched to Obama and his blanket continuation of most Bush-era policies that people found objectionable.

It hasn't done as such in the minds of most Democrats, sadly.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Why do people still waste their time over stuff like this? What happened during the Bush administration happened. We've spent the last decade anguishing over it. Just let it go. It's like pining over an ex that dumped you five years ago.

Indeed. The focus should have switched to Obama and his blanket continuation of most Bush-era policies that people found objectionable.

Both sides needs to recognize this, friend.  Dubya foreign policy supporters should look at Obama and be thankful he didn't change everything upside down.  Dubya foreign policy haters need to continue venting their frustration at Obama as well.

[Franzl]

Dubya foreign policy haters need to continue venting their frustration at Obama as well.

At least as far as most Europeans seem to be concerned, only Bush did terrible things.

[Insula Dei]

Px75, you sir are a dumbass. Excuse my french but it had to be said. You are the biggest Dem fanboy I've ever had the displeasure of seeing/ reading.

Weren't you going to be banned for being a sock?

[opebo]

Why do people still waste their time over stuff like this? What happened during the Bush administration happened. We've spent the last decade anguishing over it. Just let it go. It's like pining over an ex that dumped you five years ago.

Indeed. The focus should have switched to Obama and his blanket continuation of most Bush-era policies that people found objectionable.

While I agree that Obama's foreign policy is too much like Bush's and it behooves us to criticize it, and it is too late to 'take back' all the genocide Bush did, and it will forever be impossible to prosecute him for his crimes, it doesn't hurt to remember.   We like the Germans to remember what they did.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Px75, you sir are a dumbass. Excuse my french but it had to be said. You are the biggest Dem fanboy I've ever had the displeasure of seeing/ reading.

Be careful kid. Nobody like a brown noser.

[jimrtex]

He doesn't own that "ranch" anymore. Sold as soon as the term was out and its pr value was gone.
Or so I read someplace, anyways.

The Texas Constitution requires the governor to live in Austin, so they didn't have a place to stay in Texas after he was no long governor, so bought the ranch.  I'm pretty sure they still own it, but have bought a house in Dallas.

What you may have read is that Crawford has pretty much gone back to normal with all the tourists gone.

His parents had lived in about 40 houses (the houses in Odessa were really small, BTW), and so in between being UN ambassador, CIA director, Ambassador-equivalent to China, VP, and President they hadn't really lived in Houston.  His family had the place in Maine which is much nicer to visit in the summer than Houston, so they simply rented a suite in a hotel (it is a convention center/office/resort type).  It is really a lot more practical, and security was a lot better, but it wasn't the best PR.

After his presidency the Bush's built a house in Houston where they still live.

If the Obama's wanted to stay at the Chicago house, you would have the embarrassing situation of the Secret Service paying above market price for the Rezko house next door.  It would actually make sense for the Obama's to do like Rahm Emmanuel did and rent their house to someone else.

[Oakvale]

I'm amused that some people actually seem to believe that there was a snowball's chance in hell of a former US President getting arrested.

[krazen1211]

I would like to see them try. The United States Marine Corps would murder a few hundred Swiss getting him out.

[ag]

I would like to see them try. The United States Marine Corps would murder a few hundred Swiss getting him out.

The Swiss would never do anything to Bush, for many a reason. However, in the extremely unlikely chance they did, US Marine Corps would, probably, do exactly nothing, leaving it to the diplomats to sort things out. And, in the incredibly unlikely chance there were a military attack on Switzerland, the Swiss would, probably, be quite capable of inflicting heavy casualties in self-defense: despite neutrality, they do maintain one of the larger and better equiped European armies, to make sure nobody is tempted to try to violate it.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Boys, px is trying to be outrageous (a very common theme as of late).  I regret trying to have a decent conversation with him on this subject.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Boys, px is trying to be outrageous (a very common theme as of late).  I regret trying to have a decent conversation with him on this subject.

Gramps, David Frum today is acknowledging that there is a remote possibility of something like what I mentioned happening and he demands from Obama to warn foreign governments that he will retaliate if it happens.
Is he trying to be outrageous too?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Boys, px is trying to be outrageous (a very common theme as of late).  I regret trying to have a decent conversation with him on this subject.

Gramps, David Frum today is acknowledging that there is a remote possibility of something like what I mentioned happening and he demands from Obama to warn foreign governments that he will retaliate if it happens.
Is he trying to be outrageous too?

David Frum didn't say what you said......

[Landslide Lyndon]

Boys, px is trying to be outrageous (a very common theme as of late).  I regret trying to have a decent conversation with him on this subject.

Gramps, David Frum today is acknowledging that there is a remote possibility of something like what I mentioned happening and he demands from Obama to warn foreign governments that he will retaliate if it happens.
Is he trying to be outrageous too?

David Frum didn't say what you said......

http://www.frumforum.com/obama-should-protest-bush-arrest-threat

It’s hard to know how much of this story is true, and how much is fundraising bluster. But if even a small portion of the news is true, President Obama has a duty to speak up and to warn foreign governments that further indulgence of this kind of nonsense by their court systems will be viewed as an unfriendly act by the United States. It is one more reminder of why the concept of an International Criminal Court is such an invitation to mischief.

And for those inclined to enjoy the mischief: Just wait until somebody serves an arrest warrant in Luxembourg on ex-President Obama for ordering all those drone strikes on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

He still didn't say what you said.

[Landslide Lyndon]

He still didn't say what you said.

What did I say? That if he set his foot at Switzerland his arrest was a sure thing?
That they'd throw him in a dungeon and waterboard him?