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« Reply #125 on: March 14, 2011, 08:38:37 PM »

I can do that too. Chorizo tacos too... mm
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« Reply #126 on: March 15, 2011, 05:19:36 AM »

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« Reply #127 on: March 15, 2011, 07:00:11 AM »

I naturally preferred the original text, but this is still something.

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« Reply #128 on: March 15, 2011, 07:54:07 PM »

The Amendment has enough votes to pass, senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #129 on: March 15, 2011, 09:42:47 PM »

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« Reply #130 on: March 16, 2011, 05:41:57 PM »

That's why I hate "regional rights". There isn't "regional business" and "federal business". Anything the federal government can do to make the country better, it should do.

Unfortunately Senator, the rules do care and so does the constitution, as 8 of us are now (some of whom painfully) aware of. Tongue

I guess Snowguy and Oakie don't count since they weren't included in the memo. Tongue
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« Reply #131 on: March 16, 2011, 07:45:29 PM »

All I can say to Junkie's PM is "oh puh-leez" Tongue Wink

Perhaps this will motivate Rowan to support this bill, though. Surely he would love the ensuing court case?! Tongue
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« Reply #132 on: March 17, 2011, 09:42:38 PM »

The amendment has passed, regular debate resumes.
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« Reply #133 on: March 19, 2011, 08:24:25 PM »

I think a fee should still be charged to those who declaw. Funds can help pay for the program.

Maybe we could also add scratching posts...!
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« Reply #134 on: March 19, 2011, 11:40:05 PM »

You planning some amendments, then?
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« Reply #135 on: March 20, 2011, 03:07:14 PM »

Nine pages on this bill already and this senate has done nothing in regards to Libya yet.
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« Reply #136 on: March 20, 2011, 03:11:46 PM »

Nine pages on this bill already and this senate has done nothing in regards to Libya yet.

You've been in the Senate for a week or two. What took you so long to propose something regarding Libya if you care so much? Roll Eyes

This bill was also proposed over a week before the Libyan protests begun.
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« Reply #137 on: March 20, 2011, 03:14:00 PM »

Nine pages on this bill already and this senate has done nothing in regards to Libya yet.

You've been in the Senate for a week or two. What took you so long to propose something regarding Libya if you care so much? Roll Eyes

This bill was also proposed over a week before the Libyan protests begun.

Well, we can't take up that bill until we get one of these bills out of the docket. If we're going to pass this, just get it done. We have much more important things to worry about.
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« Reply #138 on: March 20, 2011, 03:17:19 PM »

Yes that is true Rowan but I can't bring up a nonexistant bill if and when this does end. Tongue
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« Reply #139 on: March 20, 2011, 03:19:08 PM »

Yes that is true Rowan but I can't bring up a nonexistant bill if and when this does end. Tongue

Look in the Legislation Introduction thread!
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« Reply #140 on: March 20, 2011, 03:23:38 PM »

I would like to offer the following amendment:

Feline Protection Act

1. A pair of SoftClaws will be given out with every cat adopted from an adoption center.
I. The federal government will subsidize SoftClaws Inc. to enable cat adopters to receive a free pair of SoftClaws for their adopted cats.
II. These SoftClaws will not be given out given the pet adopters who opts to have the cat declawed.
III. Then pet adopters must sign a waiver informing authorities of their choice on whether they will declawed their cat or not prior to taking it home.
IV. This procedure choice will be included in the paper work the owner must fill out prior to taking the cat home.
V. Should a cat adopter report scratching-related problems, the government shall provide a coupon guaranteeing 50% off any cat scratching post.

2. SoftClaws will be strongly suggested as an alternative to de-clawing cats who are not adopted.
I. SoftClaws will always cost half the price of declawing a cat.
II. The federal government will subsidize SoftClaws if the price of their product goes higher than fifty-percent less than the declawing procedure.
III. To help fund the program and further discourage declawing, there will be a $10 tax on each paw declawed.
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« Reply #141 on: March 20, 2011, 03:37:48 PM »

Senators have 24 hours to object to the amendment.
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« Reply #142 on: March 20, 2011, 03:41:24 PM »

not objecting to the amendment, but right now I am thinking:

1) Badger said his experience is those SoftClaws don't work, so it might not be a good idea to invest a lot of money in it.

2) Junkie is probably right about this not being constitutional.  

3) We really do need to discuss what we are going to do about Libya.  
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« Reply #143 on: March 20, 2011, 03:43:49 PM »

not objecting to the amendment, but right now I am thinking:

1) Badger said his experience is those SoftClaws don't work, so it might not be a good idea to invest a lot of money in it.

2) Junkie is probably right about this not being constitutional. 

3) We really do need to discuss what we are going to do about Libya. 

See Section 1, Clause 5 that I have added in the amendment. Badger said scratching posts were more effective. I would be open to a more intense amendment that replaces SoftClaws with scratching posts, or gives owners the option between either upfront.

Although I disagree with the Attorney General regarding the constitutionality, don't you agree that it would make an interesting court case? Vote aye and give the judicial branch something to do! Smiley
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« Reply #144 on: March 20, 2011, 03:45:52 PM »

I agree with bgwah. To all those who have constitutional-related concerns: In the worst (or best, depending on viewpoint) case, the extremely bored Sam, Ebowed and Opebo will take care of this. It doesn't mean we can't pass it.
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« Reply #145 on: March 20, 2011, 07:38:00 PM »

Can someone point me to Junkie's post on the constitutionality of this bill? I'd be interested to see what he has to say.
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« Reply #146 on: March 20, 2011, 07:46:18 PM »

Can someone point me to Junkie's post on the constitutionality of this bill? I'd be interested to see what he has to say.

It was a private message to several Senators. I'm not sure why  he didn't just post it here, though.
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« Reply #147 on: March 20, 2011, 09:33:31 PM »

Can someone point me to Junkie's post on the constitutionality of this bill? I'd be interested to see what he has to say.

It was a private message to several Senators. I'm not sure why  he didn't just post it here, though

I meant to send the pm to all the Senators, I am sorry about that.  I did not post because of the way I view my role as AG.  I believe my job is to represent the Government if sued and also to act as legal counselor to the President.  I pm'd the President and Vice President. The President suggested I post, but I decided on a pm to avoid controversy and to provide private observations in case someone did decide to sue.

Since, it has been discussed openly, I will expound.  I do not have notes and relevant cases in front of me, so this is not as detailed as my pm, so I will give only a general overview:

The Constitution specifically delineates the areas in which the Senate may legislate.  My concern is that this statute, even with the proposed amendments, does not fit into one of the specifically delineated federal powers.  I believe Clause 14 (again I do not have constitutional notes in front of me, so I am sorry if I am wrong) allows the Senate to involve itself in areas of animal control for the purpose of preventing the spread of contagious diseases.  Without some linkage of preventing or limiting declawing to that specific power, this statute would be outside the power of the Senate.

However, on thing that does occur to me now, is that the Senate could do this in the District and in all areas of exclusive federal jurisdiction, as the Senate does have exclusive power there, just not in the Regions unless specifically delineated. 
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« Reply #148 on: March 22, 2011, 04:55:13 PM »

bgwah's amendment has passed.
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« Reply #149 on: March 23, 2011, 08:08:13 AM »

not objecting to the amendment, but right now I am thinking:

1) Badger said his experience is those SoftClaws don't work, so it might not be a good idea to invest a lot of money in it.

2) Junkie is probably right about this not being constitutional. 

3) We really do need to discuss what we are going to do about Libya. 

See Section 1, Clause 5 that I have added in the amendment. Badger said scratching posts were more effective. I would be open to a more intense amendment that replaces SoftClaws with scratching posts, or gives owners the option between either upfront.

Actually I believe I said cat scratching boxes work best. Scratching posts in my experience are useless.

This is all just based on my personal experience with only two cats though.
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