UK AV Referendum Poll

[Leftbehind]

@afleitch

No one's suggesting an alternative coalition could work - just that they should've held out for a better deal with the Tories before giving them one.

[afleitch]

@afleitch

No one's suggesting an alternative coalition could work - just that they should've held out for a better deal with the Tories before giving them one.

The got a good deal; of all the things they could have demanded this bloody referendum is what they chose.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

@afleitch

No one's suggesting an alternative coalition could work - just that they should've held out for a better deal with the Tories before giving them one.

The got a good deal; of all the things they could have demanded this bloody referendum is what they chose.

Doesn't that just mean that they still got a sh!tty deal, but that it was entirely their fault?

[Leftbehind]

They got a referendum on a miserable little compromise. Astonishing deal(!).

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Nasty and partisan, but will the LibDems call it Goebbels-like?



Also, quite a silly poster. Doesn't even mention AV... could just be a normal "Vote Labour" poster, really.

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No extends their lead with YouGov to 59-41.
http://today.yougov.co.uk/sites/today.yougov.co.uk/files/yg-archives-pol-sun-results-260411.pdf

[Phony Moderate]

Are the results going to be declared county-by-county?

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Are the results going to be declared county-by-county?

I think so.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Made all the more damning by the fact that Angus Reid were one of the last to show AV in the lead when other pollsters were signalling NO gaining the upper hand.

Interesting to see various figures come out in recent days making direct appeals to Labour voters - to vote for their partisan interest. I've watched in amazement as Clegg and his merry Orange Bookers have done their utmost to extinguish any good feeling from Labour voters - the very same voters their AV hinges upon if it's to pass. Of course when AV's future started looking bleak he dismissed it as being not all that important to him, but that's been roundly disproven as he and his colleagues battle in an unprecedented scale during this coalition for it (something that again has registered terribly to Labour voters - a battle for self-interest but not his voters or the welfare state).

Some might blame YestoAV, but I think Clegg's played a shocking hand since May last year and I think it's now simply a case of how much his miserable little compromise loses by.

Nick Clegg is an idiot, I think we can all agree there. That doesn't say anything about AV, though.

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Made all the more damning by the fact that Angus Reid were one of the last to show AV in the lead when other pollsters were signalling NO gaining the upper hand.

Interesting to see various figures come out in recent days making direct appeals to Labour voters - to vote for their partisan interest. I've watched in amazement as Clegg and his merry Orange Bookers have done their utmost to extinguish any good feeling from Labour voters - the very same voters their AV hinges upon if it's to pass. Of course when AV's future started looking bleak he dismissed it as being not all that important to him, but that's been roundly disproven as he and his colleagues battle in an unprecedented scale during this coalition for it (something that again has registered terribly to Labour voters - a battle for self-interest but not his voters or the welfare state).

Some might blame YestoAV, but I think Clegg's played a shocking hand since May last year and I think it's now simply a case of how much his miserable little compromise loses by.

Nick Clegg is an idiot, I think we can all agree there. That doesn't say anything about AV, though.

AV would be inevitably better for him, as a politician. There we go.

[Leftbehind]

Nick Clegg is an idiot, I think we can all agree there. That doesn't say anything about AV, though.

Absolutely. Although I'd posit this referendum debate has been helped onto partisan levels by AV's weaknesses - the fact that it's still majoritarian means Labour and Tory voters sympathetic to PR have little reason to vote for it, with the Lib Dems being the only one's predicted to pick up seats from this.

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The Thick of It displaying the mentality of the Yes and No campaigns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2HQaF_vfes

[Phony Moderate]

Mike Smithson makes an interesting point:

http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/04/27/should-we-be-wary-about-bank-holiday-polling/

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...wow. I also recall him saying that Labour was acting trotskyist at the Barnsley by-election result. Leadership material? Really?

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ComRes has it at 60-40 for the No campaign.

Likely to change mind - 7%
Unlikely to change mind - 92%

[Chancellor of the Duchy of Little Lever and Darcy Lever]

AV and kittehs:

http://youtu.be/HiHuiDD_oTk

[minionofmidas]

Nicely done!

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/30/cabinet-war-liberal-democrat-pact

When do we think Huhne's leadership bid will be announced? I also hate this meem that the Liberals would've preferenced Labour throughout the 50s, 60s, 70s. Jeremy Thorpe's Liberals were sooooo left-wing.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Surely no one has suggested that the Liberals would have preferenced Labour in the 1950s? This campaign has been a carnival of stupid, but I think that would take the custard creams that get mentioned here on occasion.

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Surely no one has suggested that the Liberals would have preferenced Labour in the 1950s? This campaign has been a carnival of stupid, but I think that would take the custard creams that get mentioned here on occasion.

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It's sort of what's being implied. If anything, the Tories were in government a lot because Labour made careless mistake after useless blunder after careless mistake. See: election 83, election 92, the 50s in general, et al. Hardly fair to blame FPTP for that...

[Phony Moderate]

Surely no one has suggested that the Liberals would have preferenced Labour in the 1950s? This campaign has been a carnival of stupid, but I think that would take the custard creams that get mentioned here on occasion.

Well, during the Gaitskell era maybe?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ah, the usual Progressive Majority fantasyspeak. But what's he doing in this government if he thinks that?

Surely no one has suggested that the Liberals would have preferenced Labour in the 1950s? This campaign has been a carnival of stupid, but I think that would take the custard creams that get mentioned here on occasion.

Well, during the Gaitskell era maybe?

Lord no; the local pacts* were still in operation in 1959! Not that the Liberals had much time for the dirigiste Gaitskell anyway.

*As in Bolton; no Tory candidate in Bolton West, no Liberal candidate in Bolton East.

[Joe Republic]

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Wow, I didn't realise it was quite that bad.  Jeez, what a crappy system.  I thought the electoral college was awful!

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Wow, I didn't realise it was quite that bad.  Jeez, what a crappy system.  I thought the electoral college was awful!

The electoral college is really a warped, presidential version of FPTP. It's just that the US only has two parties so it works properly. When there's a significant 3rd candidate, it breaks down (Ralph Nader).

[Joe Republic]

I know that, which is why countries with more than two significant parties have no business using FPTP.