Was Jefferson Davis libertarian?

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

If Lincoln was a tyrant, then wouldn't Davis be Libertarian?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     If one thinks that political ideology can be boiled down to a couple small aspects of the civil liberties category, then yes. More reasonably, hell no.

[tpfkaw]

False dichotomy alert!

[Brandon H]

No. Regardless of the circumstances, he resorted to conscription and inflating the currency, two things that are very unlibertarian.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

One of the most idiotic questions I've ever heard.

[Mechaman]

It is important to remember that while history books do tend to be more pro-Union that the South didn't suffer completely from the "victor writes the history books" syndrome.  The Confederate Government wasn't some libertarian utopia where civil liberties were held super sacred and not every Confederate general was a bleedingheart civil gentleman who wouldn't dare let their men do crazy sh*t like rape women and burn the blacks.  It would be a great hypocrisy as a person interested in history to for me to act like such atrocities were alien to armies of the North, the Union most surely did commit war atrocities.  But so did the South, a point missed by people who are Confederate sympathizers.  That is what happens in warfare: men with guns destroy lives.  The only way one would ever avoid committing war crimes would be not to be in a war.  Waging war without committing crime is like having sex while keeping your virginity: not happening.  Not to mention of course that the institution of slavery, while it did exist in the northern states, was much more prevalent and was the dominant economy of the Confederate States.  In my mind an economy that is based on free exploitable labor is one that is inherently unlibertarian.  Any system where a man is owned by another is inherently unlibertarian, for his right to self, the greatest of all libertarian principles, has been violated.  I would argue that Jefferson Davis, by allowing a repressive system that violated the civil rights of millions of Americans (mostly black) from being able to declare themselves being free is just as unlibertarian (if not more so) as the "tyrant" Abraham Lincoln.
For the record I'm not sure I would've supported the Civil War.  Call me a "moderate hero" on this issue, but it's just not as black and white as the supporters of either side want you to believe.

I know there are others who would disagree.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

First of all, there was no such thing as a "Libertarian" back those days. Comparision is as sensless and empty as calling, for example, Charles the Great a fascist.

Second of all, I fail to see a Libertarian supporting system like slavery.

[Mechaman]

First of all, there was no such thing as a "Libertarian" back those days. Comparision is as sensless and empty as calling, for example, Charles the Great a fascist.

Second of all, I fail to see a Libertarian supporting system like slavery.

LOL so true.
I guess even I make that mistake sometimes (applying modern day ideology to the past).

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

First of all, there was no such thing as a "Libertarian" back those days. Comparision is as sensless and empty as calling, for example, Charles the Great a fascist.

Second of all, I fail to see a Libertarian supporting system like slavery.

LOL so true.
I guess even I make that mistake sometimes (applying modern day ideology to the past).

Oh yes, remember ModerateDem post claiming Tudor England had a "welfare state"?

[Mechaman]

First of all, there was no such thing as a "Libertarian" back those days. Comparision is as sensless and empty as calling, for example, Charles the Great a fascist.

Second of all, I fail to see a Libertarian supporting system like slavery.

LOL so true.
I guess even I make that mistake sometimes (applying modern day ideology to the past).

Oh yes, remember ModerateDem post claiming Tudor England had a "welfare state"?

Yeah that was pretty hilarious.
Why did he think that?  Because Henry the Great was boning half the female population?

[WillK]

If Lincoln was a tyrant, then wouldn't Davis be Libertarian?

Is this a joke thread?

[Mechaman]

If Lincoln was a tyrant, then wouldn't Davis be Libertarian?

Is this a joke thread?

I think it's either that or he made it to make a point.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

First of all, there was no such thing as a "Libertarian" back those days. Comparision is as sensless and empty as calling, for example, Charles the Great a fascist.

Second of all, I fail to see a Libertarian supporting system like slavery.

LOL so true.
I guess even I make that mistake sometimes (applying modern day ideology to the past).

Oh yes, remember ModerateDem post claiming Tudor England had a "welfare state"?

Yeah that was pretty hilarious.
Why did he think that?  Because Henry the Great was boning half the female population?

Do you think ModerateDem is old enough to know what banging is?

[Roemerista]

 The leader who created a strong centralized Confederate government? (In order to fight a war, but certain Governors of Georgia were want to say that the Confederate government was even worse than the Federal...

[tpfkaw]

First of all, there was no such thing as a "Libertarian" back those days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysander_Spooner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lloyd_Garrison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locofocos

History fail.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

First of all, there was no such thing as a "Libertarian" back those days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysander_Spooner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lloyd_Garrison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locofocos

History fail.

Not in a modern sense. The same way you can't compare present-day socialists to their predecessors.

[tpfkaw]

First of all, there was no such thing as a "Libertarian" back those days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysander_Spooner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lloyd_Garrison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locofocos

History fail.

Not in a modern sense. The same way you can't compare present-day socialists to their predecessors.

I deliberately chose those three examples because they would be considered libertarians in a modern sense (especially Spooner); there were also plenty of people who might be considered "libertarians" in the context of the time (the Barnburners, Free Soilers, Bourbons etc.), as well as people who were not "libertarians" in the context of the time but would be now (Horace Greeley, for example).

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

First of all, there was no such thing as a "Libertarian" back those days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysander_Spooner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lloyd_Garrison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locofocos

History fail.

Not in a modern sense. The same way you can't compare present-day socialists to their predecessors.

I deliberately chose those three examples because they would be considered libertarians in a modern sense (especially Spooner); there were also plenty of people who might be considered "libertarians" in the context of the time (the Barnburners, Free Soilers, Bourbons etc.), as well as people who were not "libertarians" in the context of the time but would be now (Horace Greeley, for example).

Ok then, I made a mistake.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Ok who voted yes?

[Mr. Taft Republican]

Ok who voted yes?

I was about to say...whoever did it is a true troll, and I salute you good sir!

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Ok who voted yes?

1. Someone who likes to mess with polls, by voting most retarded options
2. Someone, who's a real retard

Just take your pick.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Ok who voted yes?

1. Someone who likes to mess with polls, by voting most retarded options
2. Someone, who's a real retard

Just take your pick.

I'm sure someone voted yes because

(1) they're holding the Libertas positon (you know, Lincoln = imperalist/pro-war/anti-states-rights, so Davis must be a hero. We're both familiar with this, as we joked about libertarian you-know-who) OR
(2) they're laughing at/parodying said position.

And of course, a stupid question gets a stupid answer, the saying goes. I'm sure someone voted yes just to mess around with the poll, so that "no" didn't get 100%.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Not in a modern sense. The same way you can't compare present-day socialists to their predecessors.

Thomas Paine was rather ahead of his time.

[memphis]

Nothing says liberty like a slavery based economy.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I made this thread to mock the Libertas types.