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« on: October 11, 2014, 12:47:08 PM »
« edited: November 28, 2014, 10:40:21 AM by heatmaster »

This is a political fable, based on a fictional story; many of you who actually read this will be entertained, may puzzled and probably miffed that there is a pro-Republican narrative. The main players in this storyline, will resemble many of the political figures who occupy the stage or had been players, take for example Michael Stanton [Congressman, Texas Governor, two-term President, War Hero and a political jack of all trades] - elected President at 42 [shades of JFK], Texas Governor [G.W. Bush], War Hero [John McCain], Intellectual powerhouse [Bill Clinton] and Iconic figure [Barack Obama], Summer White House in Boothbay Harbor, Maine [Hyannisport and Kennebunkport]. Katherine Stanton [First Lady, U.S. Senator from Florida, Vice President and President] - Politically ambitious and Former First Lady [Hillary Clinton], Child of a President [G.W. Bush], Vice President [Nixon, LBJ, Ford and Bush] and President [LBJ and G.H.W. Bush] Benjamin Wheeler [Businessman, Mormon, Senator and then Governor of California, before becoming President] - Businessman and Mormon [Mitt Romney], California Senator [George Murphy], Maverick [John McCain], Candidate for Party Nomination [Reagan, McCain and Romney], Governor of California [Reagan, Pete Wilson and Arnold Schwarzenegger], Widowed [Thomas Jefferson] and President [Eisenhower, Ford, Reagan and G.W. Bush]. There are other figures and players on the stage.  
The Story begins in 2008, just as Michael Stanton has been elected President of the United States, his Vice President is Senator Raymond Myers of Pennsylvania [shades of Joe Biden]. Stanton is seen as political messiah of sorts [Obama].
He has defeated the Democratic incumbent, Harold Adams, who is from Tennessee and is cursed with misfortune [Carter].
Here is my map for the benefit of those interested to see how well Stanton does.
The Electoral Vote is 359-179 and there is no doubt which direction the country will follow.
The first few years of the Stanton Administration has a pretty similar trajectory to RTL.
Only difference is Stanton announces the death of Osama Bin-Laden as he delivers his acceptance speech at Republican National Convention in Tampa. Hurricane Sandy, is another death blow to the Democratic nominee.
The outcome is a 49 state landslide, with Stanton winning 61.29% and winning a majority of 29,000,000 popular votes and wins 532 Electoral votes. The opposing ticket in the election was Governor Bruce Newsom of Michigan and Governor Joyce Wade of Vermont  - perhaps the presence of Wade on the Democratic ticket, ensured there wouldn't be a 50-state shut-out. The bottom line was that the 2012 election allowed the winner to garner the largest share of popular votes, the largest popular vote majority in U.S. political history and the largest electoral vote share and majority. Stanton's 61.29% surpassed the record 61.1% won by fellow Texan, LBJ in 1964.
Here is the map showing Stanton's second term triumph.


The Electoral vote would have been as follows.
532 vs. 6
As always seems to be the case with Second Terms, there is in the outset no joy for Stanton, there's still continued stalemate with the Democratic controlled congress over Health Care and the Budget - nerves are raw from the stand-off over the 'Fiscal cliff'. Stanton's luck on the Foreign policy front is no better, Relations with Russia continue to sour over a whole range of issues and have continued to deteriorate over Ukraine, Syria is gripped by Civil War - Russians support the Assad regime in Damascus; tensions increase between Moscow and Washington, it appears the cold war is re-emerging as a new political reality. The only area of agreement that Stanton and Gilmore can secure is a coordinated response from the international community, on how to tackle ISIS- a hybrid terrorist organization, which has emerged and threatens the fragile stability in the Middle East - Gilmore at Stanton's behest secures support from the UN as well as NATO for a military response to ISIS - Stanton authorizes military air strikes on selected ISIS sites, as well as the deployment of military advisers into Iraq.
To top this off, Texas politics is a distraction as former Secretary of State Charles Stevens [Shades of James Baker, Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger] is engaged in a high profile Senate campaign to replace the retiring Texas Senator in a bid to return to the political arena. [in 2014]. In the Mid-term elections of 2014, Republicans gain 12 seats in the House -no second term President since James Monroe in 1822 had seen his party increase there membership in the sixth year of his Presidency. Democrats only gain 3 seats in the Senate - the result would be a 50-50 tie.
Also Katherine Stanton, is being enticed to enter the Senate contest [in Florida].
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2014, 01:08:48 PM »
« Edited: November 25, 2014, 10:51:41 AM by heatmaster »

With the imminent departure of Charles Stevens from the administration to run for the Senate from Texas, retiring Senator William Gilmore (from Utah), a power-broker in international power politics and powerful political heavyweight, became the new Secretary of State: Stanton's response to the crisis took a more robust trajectory.
The outcome of the mid term elections of 2014, Democrats won enough seats to put the Senate 50-50 with the tie-breaking vote going to Vice President Myers; Republicans would have control of the Senate and they gained 2 seats in the House. 2015, Stanton tried for a comprehensive health care and thus most of 2015 would be dominated by Stanton's health care plan. In foreign policy, NATO would come under pressure when Russian forces moved in the Ukraine and annexed it. Then Russia moved against Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia.  The highlights of campaign 2016 were as follows, after a topsy turvy primary season, the Democrats decided on their nominee and at the Democratic National Convention held at the America Airways Center in Phoenix, Arizona in Mid July, Senator Eugene Henderson of North Carolina and Senator Ralph Prescott of Massachusetts were the choices for the Democrats. In August, the Republicans held there convention at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio and Vice President Raymond Myers would the party's nominee (Myers was also from Pennsylvania - this would be the first election since 1944 that both the two major party nominee's would be from the same state), Senator John Granger of Virginia, would be Myers choice to be the party's nominee for Vice President. The election contest was punctuated by 3 presidential debates and one vice-presidential face-off.
Both candidates had taken the early voting option, so neither candidate had not finished campaigning until Election Day.
Election night, 2016 was the tightest election on record and the electoral map, showed the closeness of the election outcome.

The electoral vote was 304 vs. 234
In terms of percentage of the popular vote, the margin was even closer.
49.11% to 49.08%.
Henderson cobbled together enough electoral votes to win the presidency, and while he had won the White House, his victory was hardly a mandate. Republicans recaptured the House of Representatives (This would be the first time in 168 years, an incoming President saw his own party losing control of the House). In Florida, the First Lady Katherine Stanton was elected to the U.S. Senate.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 01:44:03 PM »
« Edited: November 25, 2014, 10:44:45 AM by heatmaster »

With an election won, or rather barely won, Eugene Henderson would need all the political capital to affect passage of his agenda.
Life would not be easy for a White House under Democratic control, facing a Republican controlled House of Representatives, anymore than had been the case of a Republican White House confronting congress controlled Democrats. Governing for Henderson would be a more difficult task for the President, than conducting a campaign.
Foreign policy became an issue in 2018, as the growth of ISIS -which had, beginning in the early months of 2014 continued it's campaign of acquisition - the Wahabi monarchy in Saudi Arabia - was overthrown in a coup and there was another oil crisis in 2018. Republicans made more inroads in the mid-term elections and as 2019 dawned, Benjamin Wheeler - who had just completed his second term as Governor of California, announced for the Republican presidential nomination, as did Senator John "Jack" Granger of Virginia and Senator Charles Stevens of Texas. The outcome was that Wheeler secured the Republican Presidential nomination and at the Republican National Convention, held at the Pepsi Center in Denver, Colorado during mid July. His nomination was a formality and he selected Senator Katherine Stanton of Florida (wife of former President Michael Stanton), to be the party's nominee for Vice President. The Democratic National Convention was held at the BMO Harris Bradley Center in Milwaukee, Wisconsin from August 31 to September 3 and both President Eugene Henderson along with Vice President Ralph Prescott were renominated.
The campaign was punctuated by the debates and on November 3, Henderson voted in North Carolina and Wheeler in Santa Barbara, California.
There seemed to be widely held perception that Republicans had more of an advantage and the outcome of the contest, began to slowly emerge.
Here's the map.

The Electoral vote was 315 vs. 223 and in the popular vote was 50.45% to 47.10%
Republicans however lost seats in the House, while gaining in the Senate.
Katherine Stanton became the first woman elected Vice President, there were other features in the election, Republicans gained Arizona, California, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin (8 states), while losing Arkansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, Tennessee and West Virginia (7).
With the inauguration of Benjamin Wheeler [48th President] and Katherine Stanton [50th Vice President], the stage was set for retrenchment and the regrouping of most if not all of some of the best features of Stantonian foreign policy; the war on terror was rebooted. There were key players in National security and economic policy, they included Brent Middleton [formerly U.S. Senator from California] to be Secretary of State, George Kirkland [brother-in-law to Michael Stanton] to be Secretary of Defense, Edward Quinn [formerly Governor of Ohio] to be Secretary of the Treasury and Alvin Doherty, who would be National Security Adviser. Wheeler, true to his maverick nature, proved to be a reform minded president in the mold of Theodore Roosevelt; the new incoming Treasury Secretary [Quinn] was charged with overhauling and reforming the tax system - but it would fall to the hands of Quinn's successor to institute these reforms. In July, 2023 while on a good-will tour to China, Middleton and Kirkland were the victims of terrorists. Middleton's replacement, as Secretary of State, was Robert Kanin [Kanin, had been Defense Secretary under President Eugene Henderson and became White House Chief of Staff under Wheeler], Mills Hancock was Kirkland's replacement at the Pentagon. Carl Harris [Santa Barbara mafia - Wheeler's California political inner circle], assumed Kanin's responsibilities at the White House and would essentially be the so-called guidance system, for the Wheeler-Stanton re-election effort. The 2024 Presidential campaign would be a sort of back to the future and the "Rose Garden strategy' employed to great effect by former President's Greg Gilchrist, Harold Adams and of course Michael Stanton was used yet again to great effect. The likelihood that Wheeler's opponent, would be Senator Frank Neal of Massachusetts.
If Neal had hopes of unseating Wheeler in the upcoming election, no one else shared that view and throughout most of the Democratic primary season, Wheeler sustained a double-digit lead in most if not all opinion polls.
The Democrats gathered in Chicago to nominate both Neal and his choice for Vice President, Senator Peter Krohn of Washington: The Republicans gathered in Columbus, Ohio Wheeler and Stanton for second terms. The General election, as agreed to by, both Presidential campaigns and proposed by the Commission on Presidential Debates, agreed to participate in 4 debates (three presidential & one Vice Presidential). The Election was a slam-dunk, and Benjamin Wheeler cruised to a landslide victory, winning by the biggest margin since 2012 (but not as large). Neal despite losing the presidential contest, was easily reelected to another term in the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts (he won the electoral votes from the commonwealth as well).
Here's the map for the 2024 Presidential Election.

The Electoral Vote was
465 for Wheeler-Stanton
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73 for Neal-Krohn
Wheeler carried 42 States, compared to Neal who carried 8 states & DC.
Wheeler had moderately large coat-tails and could probably feel justified in believing he had a mandate to continue his reform agenda in the second term - he also realized, that the 22nd Amendment placed time constraints on his window of opportunity. Attention would turn to the 2026 mid-term elections and the 2028 Presidential Election beyond in pretty short order.
Wheeler never lived to enjoy his second inauguration. On December 12, 2024 - Terrorists struck, destroying "Marine One" as it departed the White House [the choice of weapon was a Surface-to-Air Missile "SAM"]- Wheeler was enroute to the NATO summit, scheduled to be held in Prague in the Czech Republic. Kevin Wheeler, the President's teenage son and National Security Adviser, Alvin Doherty also perished.
America now had a new President, and they would soon come to appreciate the political abilities of Wheeler's successor.
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2014, 03:24:43 PM »
« Edited: November 14, 2014, 08:20:05 PM by heatmaster »

Katherine Stanton, assumed the presidency on December 12, 2024 and in doing so, she thus became the 49th President and the first woman to occupy the highest position in American politics. The nation was traumatized in the brutal way the terrorists - a splinter group with ties to Al-Qaeda and possibly with Isis- had acted. Stanton rapidly and with steady efficiency gathered the reins of power, and demonstrated a knowledge and appreciation of "Real politik" in its most explicit form.
Upon assuming the presidency, Stanton had acquire a new White House chief of staff; Carl Harris, so traumatized in the manner of his bosses death, tendered his resignation and Stanton promptly offered the position to Governor Peter Gardner of Pennsylvania - who accepted the position without any hesitation.
Gardner had been considered for the Vice Presidency in 2020, but he had only been Governor for just two years; so this fact alone had disqualified him for that position; Stanton had considered Gardner in the aftermath of the Wheeler assassination, but she had decided to offer the vice-presidential office to Senator Robert Ackerman of Massachusetts - who accepted the nomination. Treasury Secretary Edward Quinn - had been offered the State Department; to replace Robert Kanin - who had been stricken with a heart attack - prior to the Wheeler assassination - so that fait accompli eliminated Quinn's eligibility. Ackerman's confirmation hearings were as brief, as they were smooth. Quinn and Charles Stevens [Quinn's replacement at Treasury] both received speedy confirmation. The old "Stanton Doctrine" was revamped & thus the war on terror took on a more asymmetrical shape - which meant it's effectiveness would be more dramatic as a result. Overall the new administration had more hard edged flavor to it's composition and it's approach to various issues. There was strong possibility that Katherine Stanton would be seeking the Presidency in 2028, as originally planned - however, not as Vice President as previously envisaged - but as President  and her political opposition, defeating an incumbent President, especially if one had the name Stanton was a very iffy proposition. The tax reform package which Stevens had manufactured was receiving widespread praise for its effectiveness and the economy was expanding as a result. Edward Quinn was receiving kudos for his efforts in the foreign policy arena. The 'West Wing' under Gardner's tutelage was the effective master of the Stanton administration's agenda. Mills Hancock had remained on at the Pentagon, at least until his replacement, John Granger - agreed to become the new Secretary of Defense [He had been the Republican vice presidential nominee in 2016]. The mid-term elections, never can be considered a harbinger of long standing political damage, was initially seen as a political setback to Stanton and her supporter's - the outcome of her party losing control of the House of Representatives as a result of the 2026 elections, proved to be a blessing in disguise. Hindsight would provide better vision. Stanton had in the immediate aftermath of the elections - was angry. The prevailing view was that "eaten bread" is soon forgotten, had a telling effect on how Democrats conformed during the 120th congress - and hubris was abundant in vast quantities during the 2027 session. The illness of Vice President Ackerman's wife was receiving a lot of news coverage. Her death in early 2028 precipitated Ackerman's own death [suicide]. Ackerman would be interred with full honor's. In the weeks following the death of her Vice President, Katherine Stanton was preoccupied with finding a suitable replacement to fill Ackerman's shoes and with Gardner [ running for the U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania - there was a new White House Chief of Staff as a result] not available. Invoking the 25th Amendment once again, Stanton nominated Edward Quinn [Roman Catholic, formerly Congressman, Governor, Ohio, well regarded Treasury Secretary stint and Secretary of State] for the position. The Republican's gathered in Atlanta, Georgia to nominate Stanton and Quinn to be the party's standard bearer's in the 2028 presidential election. The Democrats had nominated Governor Gerald Wilmont of New York [son of President Thomas Wilmont] to be their party's nominee for President. It would be thankless task he was undertaking and incumbency is a valuable commodity, when there are high approval ratings and popularity in your arsenal. Both Stanton and Wilmont would find out how.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2014, 01:20:40 PM »

Soon the 2028 Election campaign was underway, and there was a record to defend, or attack, depending from which ever perspective was relevant. The Democrats eventually settled on their presidential nominee, he would be Gerald Wilmont, Governor of New York [he was the son of the 44th president, Thomas Wilmont]: the Democrats quickly coalesced around Wilmont's candidacy and promptly nominated at there convention, which was held in Seattle, Washington State. Wilmont selected Congressman Joseph Hartley of Maine to be his vice-presidential running mate. The Republicans gathered at the Philips Arena in Atlanta, Georgia and nominated President Katherine Stanton for another term in the White House. The party's vice-presidential nominee, would be Vice President Edward Quinn. Both the Stanton and Wilmont campaigns agreed to the proposal of the commission on presidential debates - to the formats: initially Wilmont's campaign agreed to the format, but began demanding an additional debate. The dispute arose, when the challenger asserted that the commission was a "mouthpiece" for the vested interests which were aligning with the Stanton-Quinn administration. The election campaign became a blur, and before anyone realized it - the election campaign came to roaring conclusion in the early morning of November 7. The result, was a landslide victory for the incumbent President - it was the first time in U.S. History, that a woman was elected President, another feature of the election - was that both candidates were the off-spring of two presidents, who also had been political competitors. It was the first time, in which a former First Lady won the Presidency [her husband, the former 46th President was still living] in her own right [she had been elected Vice President- twice!] The result was a blow-out victory for the Stanton-Quinn ticket.
Here's the Electoral map as of November 7 2028.
 

The President carried 45 states, compared to the Wilmont-Hartley ticket which had to manage with 5 States and the District of Columbia.
Stanton-Quinn won 480 Electoral Votes, compared to Wilmont-Hartley ticket which garnered only 58 Electoral Votes.
Since 2012 the Republican had won 3 landslide victories - in 2012, 2024 and in 2028.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2014, 01:25:52 PM »

One of those Republicans who was also successful at the polls on November 7, was the former White House Chief of Staff and former Governor of Pennsylvania, Peter Gardner won election to the U.S. Senate. Soon after the election, Charles Stevens - the Secretary of the Treasury, announced his decision to leave the cabinet.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 02:28:05 PM »
« Edited: November 21, 2014, 04:00:03 PM by heatmaster »

No sooner, than the 2030 mid-term elections were out of the way, Katherine Stanton could essentially breathe a sigh of relief - even if the Republicans had taken a massive hit at the polls - they lost control of both the House and Senate - Stanton would be confronted with a hostile and hungry Democratic congress in the new session. One of the few bright spots on the horizon for the Republicans, was in Texas with the Election of Charles Stevens, as Governor. For the most part, Katherine Stanton faced a frustrating period during her last two years in office - she was being side-lined by the same political process that had seen her career flourish. Edward Quinn, was chasing delegates as he pursued the Republican presidential nomination - the 2032 presidential campaign was underway. On the Democratic side, Thomas Davenport of Alabama - he had served as Governor, before coming to Washington to serve in the U.S. Senate - Davenport was something of a novelty - his mother was black, his father white - despite his biracial ethnicity, his pedigree was impeccable and Davenport was a success in the political arena and it showed as he shot to the top of the pack in his quest for the Democratic Presidential nomination. The Democrats met in San Diego, California and nominated Davenport and his choice for Vice President, Governor John Reid of California [Reid had served as Secretary of Labor during the Administration of Eugene Henderson]. The Republican party convention was held in Minneapolis, Minnesota and Vice President Edward Quinn received the party's Presidential nomination and Congressman Robert Brody of California received the Vice Presidential Nomination. The election campaign may have been as much as a contest between the Davenport-Reid and Quinn-Brody ticket, as it was a referendum on the records of both the Wheeler-Stanton administrations and there stewardship over the nation's affairs for the previous twelve years. The campaign was punctuated by the now familiar staple of presidential and vice-presidential face-offs - which features of modern political campaigns. The campaign was an exhausting experience for both contenders and there handlers. Finally on November 2, the voters finally had there chance and so Americans went to the polls to offer up their verdict. The outcome was the closest since 1960 and it was that close in the electoral vote, that had any state which ended up in Davenport's column, voted for Quinn - the Vice President would have emerged as the ultimate winner.
In the outcome hinged on the results in Minnesota and Iowa, and neither Davenport nor Quinn could claim victory or accept defeat - when Iowa went for Quinn, his total in the electoral vote, inched up toward 268, Davenport remained at 261 and there the electoral vote remained until just after Thanksgiving. Finally with the recount completed in Minnesota - Thomas Davenport of Alabama, became the 50th President of the United States.
The outcome was 273 for Davenport-Reid 24 States and District of Columbia, compared to 265 for Quinn-Brody who won 26 states
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2014, 02:03:45 PM »
« Edited: November 21, 2014, 04:36:29 PM by heatmaster »

The Election of 2032, posed several what-ifs and each one, was maddening.
Davenport presidency was a mixed bag of blessings and curses, each created it's own dynamic in determining how both the mid-term elections of 2034 and the Presidential election campaign would be fought.
To the surprise of both the punditry and both party establishment's, the emergence of Charles Stevens as Davenport's principle challenger as campaign 2036 got underway, Stevens may have been 72 years old, but in the final analysis, the record of Davenport's administration was one which gave voters pause for thought.  The Republican National Convention was held in Charlotte, North Carolina, and Charles Stevens, along with his choice to be the party's vice-presidential nominee, Senator Paul Rodriguez of Virginia received the endorsement of the assembled delegates. The Democrats held there nominating convention in Phoenix, Arizona and duly renominated Davenport and Reid for Second terms'. The outcome was a stunning victory for Stevens and Rodriguez. Here was the outcome in terms of the election result.

The Electoral vote and states, won by the Stevens-Rodriguez ticket was 417 Electoral Votes and 37 States, while the Davenport-Reid ticket garnered 121 Electoral Votes from 13 States and the District of Columbia.
At the time of his election, Charles Stevens was 72 years old and would be the oldest President at his first inauguration, he had a long and varied career, serving in the House and then the Senate, before four-years as Secretary of State under President Michael Stanton, then another stint in the Senate, unsuccessful candidate for the Republican Presidential nomination in 2020, lost to Benjamin Wheeler, served four years as Secretary of the Treasury under Katherine Stanton and then Governor of Texas.  It was would be ironic, but Michael Stanton, now in his 70th year would end up serving as Secretary of State under Charles Stevens.
Fortune smiled upon the Stevens administration, there would come change and in early 2039, due to the election of his son, John Stanton to Congress from Florida, the elder Stanton called time on his tenure at the State Department, reasons cited were his advancing years, and conflict of interest issues due to his son's burgeoning political career. The Vice President, Paul Rodriguez was the victim of assassination, and therefore Stevens had to invoke the 25th Amendment, he nominated Senator Peter Gardner of Pennsylvania to fill the Vice-Presidential vacancy. The 2040 Presidential Election was basically an endorsement of the Stevens record, the Democrats held there convention in Des Moines, Iowa and duly nominated Governor John Flannagan of New Hampshire and former Senator Rachel George of Ohio, the Republicans held there convention in Columbus, Ohio and there affair was merely a "coronation" for the Stevens-Gardner ticket. The outcome was to be a landslide for the President.
The Stevens-Gardner ticket won 488  Electoral votes from 46 States, and the Flannagan-George ticket won 50 electoral votes from 4 States and the District of Columbia.
Here is the map illustrating the result of the 2040 Election.


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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2014, 11:22:02 AM »

I thought in the Republican party, it was the next guy in line, so how come some 40 something Governor of Texas gets the nod?
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2014, 11:51:13 AM »

Hi Kingfisher, very interesting question and welcome to the forum by the way; first person who has actually contributed to my post. In answer to the question, I don't know, guess making him a Republican 21st century version of JFK, was a neat fit; he's really a hybrid of Barack Obama (intellectual; iconic figure), John McCain (military hero), George W. Bush (Governor of Texas), Bill Clinton (accessible and spouse of a political figure), Ronald Reagan (electoral master), Teddy Roosevelt (youngest president to leave office after two terms) and because Stanton seems to be a cool political name; anyway, does it really matter? Thought it would be pretty interesting in having a first couple occupying the White House for longer than the Roosevelt's (FDR branch) - in this case both husband and wife were on the national ticket for a total of 5 times between them - (both FDR and Nixon, were each individually on the national ticket 5 times). The wife (Katherine), served as Vice President and the husband (Michael) served as Secretary of State, aside from both serving as President. Anyway, it would be interesting to see life, imitating art (if you can call it that!)
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