Irish Election Results Thread

[patrick1]

And having said that, the count is now complete in Dublin NE

Though Sligo-N Leitrim is merely formality at this stage, as is Mayo and Dublin SC.

Glad A. Power was not elected. Not a fan of her husband, her party or policies.  

[patrick1]

And having said that, the count is now complete in Dublin NE

Though Sligo-N Leitrim is merely formality at this stage, as is Mayo and Dublin SC.

Glad A. Power was not elected. Not a fan of her husband, her party or policies.  

I don't mind her husband all that much.

Well his wife sent out some stupid mailers (only she can stop Sinn Fein) and I am not sold on his objectivity.

[patrick1]

Cavan-Monaghan very tight. Looking like FG will pick up 3. Kathryn Reilly (SF) has been close behind them for many counts now, but seems unable to close the gap.

Margaret Conlon's (FF) distribution and the inevitable ensuing distibution of the Brendan Smith (FF) surplus that that distribution will create - will decide things. That those votes are much more Monaghan than Cavan in origin, will likely count against Reilly.

As predicted, reallocation is not very Reilly friendly; looks almost certain that Cavan-Monaghan will be 3 FG-1 FF

Yeah, it looks like very good vote management by FG. I do think it is pretty cool that someone of 21 years can make a good run at it no matter what the party.

[patrick1]

Fine Gael & Labour have just reached 84 (54+30).

Let's hope FG can make 84 without Labour so Ireland gets a real party system.

No, lets not. What has Fine Gael ever done? I am leery of their supposed solutions.

[patrick1]

Guaranteed to induce cultural cringe.

[patrick1]

Are those the Healy-Raes?

Yes.

[patrick1]

What's the matter with Kerry N-W Limerick? It doesn't seem like the sort of place to elect 1 Lab and 1 SF out of three seats.

Large leftish vote in Tralee, which is a sizeable town by Irish standards, combined with a large republican vote in Kerry generally.

What's the cause of the republican vote in Kerry?

The legacy of Ballyseedy lingers. Kerry was a stronghold of anti treaty forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executions_during_the_Irish_Civil_War#Unofficial_killings

[patrick1]

I notice that Enda Kenny is also Father of the Dáil as well as presumptively the next Taoiseach.  Who else in various Parliaments has held the dual title of Father and PM (however so called).

It happened a few times in Northern Ireland with O'Neill and Faulkner. I am unaware of such a title in the present NI Assembly, but pretty confident Big Ian was oldest member and First minister.

[patrick1]

Two questions,

Will there be a by election in Dublin for European Parliament

No, they are allowed to name a replacement.

[patrick1]

It is down to FF transfers in Wicklow. Brady (SF) ahead of Donnelly (Ind) by 57 votes for last seat.

[patrick1]

Reports are that Laois-Offaly will be 2 FG, 2FF, 1 SF.

[patrick1]

It is down to FF transfers in Wicklow. Brady (SF) ahead of Donnelly (Ind) by 57 votes for last seat.

Looks like Donnelly will take it by a little over 100.

[patrick1]

Wonder what the point of withdrawing the recount request within a minute was? If he'd just reconsidered he could have done that before the formal announcement - maybe it was intended as some silly kind of message?

I think it was because they were told it would not be a full recount.  They realized that there would be no chance of the result changing then and withdrew.

[patrick1]

Just reporting what I heard from people who were at the hall. 

All told it was a good result for SF. Up from 4 seats last election and just missed on a few more. Hopefully they can build themselves into a robust opposition.

[patrick1]

Gerry Adams laughed the idea off on RTE the other day.

Haha, yeah and I think Enda would be downright insulted if he were even asked.  Not only do the politicians themselves hold the other side in contempt, but there is huge animosity among the rank and file as well. You wouldn't find the FG getting into bed with the murderous, commie Shinners and SF wouldn't form a coalition with the fascist, Quisling Blueshirts. Now of course there many people  are more nuanced and are moving forward from history, but there is still antagonism.

Basically no one right now would go into government with Sinn Fein and vice versa. Sinn Fein is going try to build on their gains by knocking a FG-Lab coalition on every cut to services they put forward.

[patrick1]

FG are sometimes still referred to as "The Law and Order Party" and considering this, their history and importantly their ´natural´ support base, I think we can rule out the SF-FG option.

Al, I would add that Fianna Fail´s base at a local level has been eroding for the last twenty years - at the last local election their traditional Dublin working class base collapsed. Large parts of Central Dublin now have no FF politician representing them at any level - local or national. But it was the power of the local machines that was once the essential basis of FF support. Also some of the social pillars that propped FF support for a long time have long disappeared as social forces. Republicanism is in the republic now meaningless beyond being a slogan. Political Catholicism is a joke here and would be treated as such should the Church even try get more organized politically. The anti-socialism hysteria Jack Lynch launced against Labour in 1969 would be unthinkable now for many reasons, but the decay of anti-liberalism and the Catholic church as a social force (and equally as important, a nationalist force) would have to be considered major factors.

Maybe it is not your intention or I am misreading but I think you are overstating these social forces as the reason behind the FF collapse. While these changes over the past decades are undeniable and there has been a steady retreat in the Dublin area, their collapse is because the economy collapsed under their watch. They were still the largest national party by a good margin only 4 short years ago. I think it will be difficult for them to regain their standing now as they were largely as Al says a clientelist party. Further, some of the things they supposedly stood for are better articulated by other parties.

[patrick1]

FG are sometimes still referred to as "The Law and Order Party" and considering this, their history and importantly their ´natural´ support base, I think we can rule out the SF-FG option.

Al, I would add that Fianna Fail´s base at a local level has been eroding for the last twenty years - at the last local election their traditional Dublin working class base collapsed. Large parts of Central Dublin now have no FF politician representing them at any level - local or national. But it was the power of the local machines that was once the essential basis of FF support. Also some of the social pillars that propped FF support for a long time have long disappeared as social forces. Republicanism is in the republic now meaningless beyond being a slogan. Political Catholicism is a joke here and would be treated as such should the Church even try get more organized politically. The anti-socialism hysteria Jack Lynch launced against Labour in 1969 would be unthinkable now for many reasons, but the decay of anti-liberalism and the Catholic church as a social force (and equally as important, a nationalist force) would have to be considered major factors.

Maybe it is not your intention or I am misreading but I think you are overstating these social forces as the reason behind the FF collapse. While these changes over the past decades are undeniable and there has been a steady retreat in the Dublin area, their collapse is because the economy collapsed under their watch. They were still the largest national party by a good margin only 4 short years ago. I think it will be difficult for them to regain their standing now as they were largely as Al says a clientelist party. Further, some of the things they supposedly stood for are better articulated by other parties.

I don´t disagree. I was just putting things in historical context.

Got ya.  What is your home constituency anyway? It is too bad that voting is so restricted- especially considering the amount of people who've been forced to re-locate recently.

[patrick1]

Well, I don't think your vote would have had much impact in Dublin South anyway.  I presume Shane Ross will probably stay independent but vote FG.  So it looks like 5 votes for the pending coalition.

[patrick1]

I think the time has come to post that picture again:

Haha, that is classic.  Never seen that before.

To be fair though, Given the current state of the SPL the game only vaguely resembles football