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« on: March 10, 2011, 11:43:59 pm »
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Do Not PM List

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1. The Registrar General will maintain a "Do Not PM" list.

2. Citizens who wish to be on the Do Not PM list will make a formal request in a thread designated to inform citizens of those who wish not to be PM'd.

3. The "Do Not PM" List thread will be sticked at the top of the Fantasy Elections subsection of the forum.


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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 11:57:54 pm »
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This is unnecessary.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 04:32:20 am »
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This is a long overdue if we are to refuse deregistration.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 01:16:09 pm »
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We already have enough stickied threads...
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 01:57:39 pm »
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Look, No-PM list is just a substitute for clear deregistration process. I support deregistration, but won't support such substitute.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 02:29:18 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 03:42:45 pm »
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De-registration will never get through because it proves a huge headache. This is a substitute, no doubt, but it's probably the best we can get. Right now, missing 2 or however many elections gets you removed from the rolls, which seems to be the system that will remain in place for a while.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 04:51:15 pm »
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De-registration will never get through because it proves a huge headache. This is a substitute, no doubt, but it's probably the best we can get. Right now, missing 2 or however many elections gets you removed from the rolls, which seems to be the system that will remain in place for a while.

All right, Duke, if this is passed, I withdraw my deregistration project. But if, somehow, your bill fails, I'm going to try mine.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2011, 05:34:50 pm »
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I still don't see what's wrong with deregistration. IIRC it only got complicated when the RG was required to put requests on "hold" and the like when the Senate overcomplicated the proposal.

Just allow deregistration, posted in the registration thread, and require a short cooling off period (10-15 days) before someone can reregister.

A no PM list just seems overkill for a small universe as ours. If you're a registered Atlasia voter, just expect a PM or 3 a couple times a year around election time and ignore/delete them as you wish (or once eventually allowed, just deregister and quit).
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2011, 06:04:57 pm »
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My only concern is people can be so fickle about things. They quit on impulse and come back and quit again. I just see deregistration as a headache for everyone involved. I do not understand why getting a PM every once and a while about voting is so intrusive, but if it is just put your name on the list and hope people read it. We can do that. We're just creating a mess for everyone if we allow people to quit cold turkey whenever they feel like it. Is it just me? I think the RG feels the same way even if he hates my bill.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2011, 07:18:59 pm »
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I disagree with the bill because it:

1) Unnecessarily creates more "work" for the RG
2) We don't really have the power to regulate PMs, and there isn't even a punishment for disobeying it anyway. And how could we prove it if there was?
3) No more stickied threads please.
4) If people ask me to quit PMing them, I do. We shouldn't need a law to mandate common courtesy.
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2011, 07:30:00 pm »
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Um, I disagree, bgwah. It's more like creating a list of people who don't want to get involved anymore and are just waiting to be removed, without being bothered.

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2011, 07:33:08 pm »
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I was favorable till I saw the part about a "stickied" thread.


How about require the SoFE maintain it as part of Post #1 of his office thread?
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 08:00:43 pm »
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We can amend it for that. Stickying it isn't a priority. Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2011, 08:03:53 pm »
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I'm against this bill. I really don't see the point. If you PM someone and they tell you not to PM them again, then don't. It's really not that difficult. And for the people whining about receiving PM's, no one is forcing you to read them.
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2011, 08:04:00 pm »
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How about require the SoFE maintain it as part of Post #1 of his office thread?

Very reasonable.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2011, 09:24:37 pm »
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4) If people ask me to quit PMing them, I do. We shouldn't need a law to mandate common courtesy.
We could still run into the problem of multiple people messaging someone who doesn't want to be messaged, not knowing they don't. This would solve that problem as there would be a public list available.

I agree and support Yank's potential amendment on putting this as part of another thread. No more stickies for now, please Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2011, 09:52:11 pm »
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I disagree with the bill because it:

1) Unnecessarily creates more "work" for the RG

Then I hope you don't support deregistration... Tongue

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2) We don't really have the power to regulate PMs, and there isn't even a punishment for disobeying it anyway. And how could we prove it if there was?

It's not about punishment. It's about providing information to people so they'll know who doesn't want to be bothered. If they choose to do it anyway, people like JJ can't cause a huge outburst again about us not having any system in place.

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3) No more stickied threads please.

Fair enough. We can work on Yankee's proposal.

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4) If people ask me to quit PMing them, I do. We shouldn't need a law to mandate common courtesy.

Just because you do is irrelevant. Some people prefer not to have to keep telling people that election after election, and not everyone keeps detailed notes.
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2011, 10:14:43 pm »
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Why don't you just have the RG list "Do Not PM" under the "Additional Info" section, instead of a superfluous post?
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2011, 02:59:35 am »
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Why don't you just have the RG list "Do Not PM" under the "Additional Info" section, instead of a superfluous post?

This is a good idea.
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2011, 10:24:06 am »
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I'd like to offer an Amendment :


Do Not PM List Act

1. Any Atlasian explicitly asking for in the Census Bureau thread shall be registered by the Registrar General in a "Do not PM list".

2. The "Do not PM list" shall be visible in one of the opening posts of the Census Bureau thread.

3. Any Atlasian wishing to campaing through PMs is requested to read the "Do not PM list" before doing.
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2011, 10:50:16 am »
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I'd like to offer an Amendment :


Do Not PM List Act

1. Any Atlasian explicitly asking for in the Census Bureau thread shall be registered by the Registrar General in a "Do not PM list".

2. The "Do not PM list" shall be visible in one of the opening posts of the Census Bureau thread.

3. Any Atlasian wishing to campaing through PMs is requested to read the "Do not PM list" before doing.

Very good amendment.
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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2011, 02:28:32 pm »
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If you're going to make a law, at least make a punishment for not following the law.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2011, 06:43:26 pm »
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There is cause for a law short of punishments, though the point is valid as to "you might as well go ahead while we are at it". 


However, I think the primary purpose is to ensure its maintained and visible in the future and not necessarily for enforcement. I think we should wait and deal with an enforcement issue later if the need shall arise, but refrain from such at the present.
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2011, 06:43:50 pm »
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If you're going to make a law, at least make a punishment for not following the law.

Well, the whole point is not that "PM-ing these people is a crime", but rather "those people are not interested in Atlasia, and they are confirming, they don't want to be bothered".

Beside, how on earth are you going to prove PM-ing? Quotes? It's not impossible to forge a PM.
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