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« on: March 10, 2011, 11:54:54 PM »
« edited: March 30, 2011, 06:10:00 PM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 11:57:25 PM »

This is very important!!! Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 11:59:26 PM »

Really? Never would have guessed. Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 03:46:58 AM »


Yeah, on the Wiki, on someone's page, it will be blank when it says preceded to succeeded by. I hate it!
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 04:20:56 AM »

I don't really see the point of officializing the unwritten rules we have always used. Anyways, I agree with this bill and I'd be voting for it.

For the record, I've always considered myself as the successor of AndrewCT. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 06:51:18 AM »

Ok.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 07:15:05 PM »

I don't really see the point of officializing the unwritten rules we have always used. Anyways, I agree with this bill and I'd be voting for it.

For the record, I've always considered myself as the successor of AndrewCT. Wink

That's because you are. Tongue


The rules are somewhat weak now. Especially considering that each seat isn't considered a "separate entity" with a name/number this will change that, thank god Understand, number five? Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 07:17:09 PM »

It got somewhat complicated, so if someone wants to read through it and make sure it all makes sense, I would appreciate it. Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2011, 07:30:34 PM »

It got somewhat complicated, so if someone wants to read through it and make sure it all makes sense, I would appreciate it. Tongue

For number 4, why use alphabetical instead of "political persuasion"?

Doesn't really matter, I'm just curious.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2011, 08:08:11 PM »

Eh. Looks unnecessary.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2011, 07:36:06 AM »


But wiki is going to look nicer!
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2011, 07:02:03 PM »

It got somewhat complicated, so if someone wants to read through it and make sure it all makes sense, I would appreciate it. Tongue

For number 4, why use alphabetical instead of "political persuasion"?

Doesn't really matter, I'm just curious.

Well actually it matters to the extent that I would atleast like a response. Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2011, 09:14:11 PM »

Come on, guys, Antonio deserved succession box as at-large Senator!
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2011, 09:31:06 PM »

It got somewhat complicated, so if someone wants to read through it and make sure it all makes sense, I would appreciate it. Tongue

For number 4, why use alphabetical instead of "political persuasion"?

Doesn't really matter, I'm just curious.

Well actually it matters to the extent that I would atleast like a response. Tongue

Can you clarify if you mean Clause 4 of my amendment or Clause 4 of what would be the amended bill
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2011, 07:06:21 PM »

4) Clause 3 of Section Six will read: "If a party has multiple departing Senators and multiple incoming Senators, then the successors shall be organized alphabetically beginning at the lowest numbered seat held by the party."


The only 4 with the word "alphabetically" in it. Tongue
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2011, 08:22:47 PM »

Hmm, okay, sure, that seems like a fine amendment. I would like to change it to the following:

4) Clause 3 of Section Six will read: "If a party has multiple departing Senators and multiple incoming Senators, the political persuasion of the departing and incoming Senators may be used to determine who is the successor. Should a dispute arise, the Attorney General shall decide. Should there be no clear political match, then the successors shall be organized alphabetically beginning at the lowest numbered seat held by the party.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2011, 08:30:41 PM »

when it says "may be determined," who will determine it, initially?
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2011, 07:59:15 PM »

lol, Bgwah jumped the gone. That wasn't necessarily going to lead to an amendment. It may have, or it may not have. That would have been determined by the result of the coloqui (sp?).
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2011, 08:20:25 PM »

when it says "may be determined," who will determine it, initially?


Whoever is editing the Wiki. Grin
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2011, 09:05:42 PM »

and what is the practical difference between there being a dispute and "no clear political match"? it sounds like giving two different remedies for the same problem.
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2011, 09:07:30 PM »

This bill isn't very practical, but is very cool, and I hope this will pass Grin
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2011, 05:36:38 PM »

With some thought into I have decided to support the amendment offered by bgwah.


Now for procedural matters. Is the amendment still on the table and does the sponsor of the underlying bill accept it as friendly? (Yes, I realize this requires bi-polar disorder to work. Tongue)
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2011, 09:56:32 PM »

I kind of need answers to both questions and the sooner the better, like yesterday. Tongue



Or as Marcus Crassus said:

"Hurry it up, or I'll have the lot of you whipped!!!"
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2011, 03:49:51 PM »

Sorry. I accept my own amendment as friendly, if that's what you're asking.

and what is the practical difference between there being a dispute and "no clear political match"? it sounds like giving two different remedies for the same problem.

I don't fully understand your question. But I will try to explain what I mean with an example.

Let's say hypothetically that that the RPP and JCP each lost one seat, while the Populares and UDL each gained one. You could assign the successors randomly, or you could use their political leanings to make it more logical. A political match to me would probably be JCP --> UDL and RPP --> Populares, though I suppose it may depend on the specific candidates involved. But, just an example to give you an idea of what I meant.

A dispute would be two people editing the Wiki disagreeing on a political match or whether one exists in the first place. The Attorney General would be brought in to decide. I kind of doubt this would actually happen, but after the Populares-color controversy I thought I would include it just in case.
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2011, 09:02:32 PM »

Yes, that answers my question.
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