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« on: March 11, 2011, 12:02:24 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2011, 04:30:23 AM »

Fully support. Hopefully this will put an end to the expulsion loophole.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 08:10:35 PM »

Wait, what if the majority has seven seats and just wants to expel the other three for no reason?
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 08:15:59 PM »

Wait, what if the majority has seven seats and just wants to expel the other three for no reason?

I agree. Problem is the vote standard is set in the Constitution.


Anybody have any solutions to this problem?
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 09:18:19 PM »

I agree with the concerns of partinship taking over.

Just a suggestion, but how about creating certain...guidlines(?) that must be met in order to bring a vote up on explusion, such as not posting on the Senate floor for over a week?
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2011, 07:34:36 AM »

Rowan got a very valid point here.

Perhaps we should amend the 1st section like:

"1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of a sitting Senator at any time by creating a thread, and then motioning by name for the Senator be expelled, but only for reasons, that are described in the constitution as sufficient to expell"

Now, we need a brainstorm here.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2011, 10:35:39 AM »

I believe if a Senator shows no Senate activity in a week, without a LOA, that should be reason for expulsion. It's time we buckle down on activity in the Senate.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2011, 02:29:28 PM »

What are we to define as activity? Making a post?
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 06:38:44 PM »

Rowan got a very valid point here.

Perhaps we should amend the 1st section like:

"1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of a sitting Senator at any time by creating a thread, and then motioning by name for the Senator be expelled, but only for reasons, that are described in the constitution as sufficient to expell"

Now, we need a brainstorm here.

The problem is that the Constitution has no guidelines for expulsion except that it occur by 2/3rd's vote.

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2011, 06:44:55 PM »

Rowan got a very valid point here.

Perhaps we should amend the 1st section like:

"1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of a sitting Senator at any time by creating a thread, and then motioning by name for the Senator be expelled, but only for reasons, that are described in the constitution as sufficient to expell"

Now, we need a brainstorm here.

The problem is that the Constitution has no guidelines for expulsion except that it occur by 2/3rd's vote.



Then I must been wrong. Senate procedure, however, is allowing it, for inactivity.

So, well, just clarify for what a Senator can be expelled.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2011, 06:48:39 PM »

So, how about:

"1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of a sitting Senator at any time by creating a thread, and then motioning by name for the Senator be expelled, for reasons such as inactivity longer than three weeks (insert something additional here)"
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2011, 06:49:40 PM »

Rowan got a very valid point here.

Perhaps we should amend the 1st section like:

"1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of a sitting Senator at any time by creating a thread, and then motioning by name for the Senator be expelled, but only for reasons, that are described in the constitution as sufficient to expell"

Now, we need a brainstorm here.

The problem is that the Constitution has no guidelines for expulsion except that it occur by 2/3rd's vote.



Then I must been wrong. Senate procedure, however, is allowing it, for inactivity.

So, well, just clarify for what a Senator can be expelled.


lol. That is not expulsion though. Senate procedures define an activity standard by which a seat would become vacant and I stand by the opinion that it is both legal and valid.

We could extrapolate the same standard sure to apply to expulsion. But their are other reasons for expulsion. Some of which become somewhat arbitrary and thus open to being misused or taken advantage of.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2011, 08:11:01 PM »

I'm kind of concerned about possible abuse. Reasons we can vote one of us out must be strictly specified. Very strictly.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 08:24:46 PM »

I'm kind of concerned about possible abuse. Reasons we can vote one of us out must be strictly specified. Very strictly.

I agree

Okay before we worry about specifics of what constitutes inactivity or whatever less just list the reasons.

I'll start: Inactivity, incompetence, violation of law?
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2011, 07:00:45 PM »

Well people, what other grounds should fall under expulsion. Should any others at all or should it just be innactivity?
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2011, 07:15:20 PM »

Well people, what other grounds should fall under expulsion. Should any others at all or should it just be innactivity?

Hm, criminal conviction? But isn't that usually means automatic expulsion from any office?
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2011, 09:07:37 PM »

Well people, what other grounds should fall under expulsion. Should any others at all or should it just be innactivity?

Hm, criminal conviction? But isn't that usually means automatic expulsion from any office?

His that even legal under the Fritz/PS wtf line?  If a Senator can only be removed by expulsion, as per Constitution, doesn't that also trump the CCJA?
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2011, 09:13:31 PM »

Hm, how about that a vote to expell a Senator can be held, after said Senator didn't do anything related to her/his official duties in a period of two and more weeks?
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2011, 05:31:53 PM »

Hm, how about that a vote to expell a Senator can be held, after said Senator didn't do anything related to her/his official duties in a period of two and more weeks?

Would that include and exception for Leaves of Absence?
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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2011, 07:30:34 PM »

Hm, how about that a vote to expell a Senator can be held, after said Senator didn't do anything related to her/his official duties in a period of two and more weeks?

Would that include and exception for Leaves of Absence?

It should, IMO. Senator should not be punished for things like need to handle RL issues.
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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2011, 07:35:31 PM »

How about something like that? (if there are any messed-up grammar/speeling, just tell)


Amendment to the OSPR to Establish Procedures for the Expulsion of Senators

Article 12: Expulsion Procedures

1. A Senator may motion for the expulsion of a sitting Senator, after the Senator had not posted anything relating to the Senate business in a period of 14 days and didn't declare  absence before, by creating a thread, and then motioning by name for the Senator be expelled.

2. If the motion is seconded by another Senator, the PPT shall start another thread to debate and hear the reasons for the expulsion motion and provide an opportunity for the Senator being expelled to respond and defend himself. Debate on the expulsion for the Senator shall last for no less then 72 hours. Once 72 hours has expired, a Senator may motion for an extension of 48 hours to the debating period.

3. After all time has expire, the PPT shall close the debate and open a vote on the expulsion of the senator. The vote shall require, in accordance with Article 1 Section 3 Clause 1 of the Constitution, two thirds of the Senate to vote in the affirmative to expel the Senator. The vote shall last for 120 hours or until enough Senators have voted in the affirmative (7) or negative (4).

4. Following the expulsion of a Senator, the PPT shall inform the public of its actions and inform the Secretary of Federal Elections of the occurrence of a vacancy in the expelled Senator’s seat.
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2011, 07:36:17 PM »

Where you planning on offering an amendment then, or shall I do so? I won't be able to tonight most likely as I have school work I have been putting off all afternoon. Tongue
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2011, 07:37:24 PM »

Yes, I'm offering the amendment.
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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2011, 07:44:04 PM »

The wording in clause 1 has some issues.
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2011, 08:28:58 AM »


What are those issues?
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