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« on: March 11, 2011, 02:45:24 PM »

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51052.html?wpisrc=nl_wonk

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I like what Ezra Klein had to say about this:

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2011, 02:08:06 AM »

     He's picking out the easy targets, the ones that are small enough for nobody to notice. Old people would pitch a fit if their Social Security checks shrunk ever so slightly, & nobody in Washington would dare invoke their wrath. It's amusing in a morbid sort of way how quickly the political process is degrading into a series of utterly futile gestures aimed at doing something without rocking the boat.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2011, 02:27:02 AM »

So yes, it's clearly easier to go after low-income heating oil and nutritional assistance for underweight infants...

They don't have the balls to go after the actual bloat...
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2011, 08:32:08 AM »

No balls.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2011, 08:40:33 AM »
« Edited: March 14, 2011, 08:42:07 AM by Ghost_white »

    He's picking out the easy targets, the ones that are small enough for nobody to notice. Old people would pitch a fit if their Social Security checks shrunk ever so slightly, & nobody in Washington would dare invoke their wrath.

No, Boehner and co. haven't hid their intentions, they've already said they favor raising the retirement age and plenty of Republicans have openly said they'll use the payroll tax cuts as a reason to curb SS spending. At this point it's just a question of whether him or Obama will budge first on the issue but it will happen. You can already see the prelude to that going on at the state level or overseas. It might not happen this year but it will happen sometime in the near future, if because nothing else the banks and bond holders are demanding it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2011, 09:10:11 AM »

    He's picking out the easy targets, the ones that are small enough for nobody to notice. Old people would pitch a fit if their Social Security checks shrunk ever so slightly, & nobody in Washington would dare invoke their wrath.

No, Boehner and co. haven't hid their intentions, they've already said they favor raising the retirement age and plenty of Republicans have openly said they'll use the payroll tax cuts as a reason to curb SS spending. At this point it's just a question of whether him or Obama will budge first on the issue but it will happen. You can already see the prelude to that going on at the state level or overseas. It might not happen this year but it will happen sometime in the near future, if because nothing else the banks and bond holders are demanding it.

The problem is, neither side has a pair.  How much longer can we wait?
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2011, 11:40:34 AM »

     He's picking out the easy targets, the ones that are small enough for nobody to notice. Old people would pitch a fit if their Social Security checks shrunk ever so slightly, & nobody in Washington would dare invoke their wrath.

No, Boehner and co. haven't hid their intentions, they've already said they favor raising the retirement age and plenty of Republicans have openly said they'll use the payroll tax cuts as a reason to curb SS spending. At this point it's just a question of whether him or Obama will budge first on the issue but it will happen. You can already see the prelude to that going on at the state level or overseas. It might not happen this year but it will happen sometime in the near future, if because nothing else the banks and bond holders are demanding it.

     So he's only sort of gutless rather than completely gutless? As Grumps has said, time isn't really a luxury we have. The longer this gets put off, the deeper the ditch we're stuck in will be.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2011, 08:36:51 PM »

Amazing how facts take a back seat to "going with the flow" of the latest, popular, cynical, and anti-Boehner narrative of the day.


    He's picking out the easy targets, the ones that are small enough for nobody to notice. Old people would pitch a fit if their Social Security checks shrunk ever so slightly, & nobody in Washington would dare invoke their wrath.

No, Boehner and co. haven't hid their intentions, they've already said they favor raising the retirement age and plenty of Republicans have openly said they'll use the payroll tax cuts as a reason to curb SS spending. At this point it's just a question of whether him or Obama will budge first on the issue but it will happen. You can already see the prelude to that going on at the state level or overseas. It might not happen this year but it will happen sometime in the near future, if because nothing else the banks and bond holders are demanding it.

     So he's only sort of gutless rather than completely gutless? As Grumps has said, time isn't really a luxury we have. The longer this gets put off, the deeper the ditch we're stuck in will be.

If he doesn't play the game, it will die and it won't happen anyway. You go to war with the political process you have, not the one you would like to have. No offense buddy, but your position is a luxuary non-third party members can't afford to take. Tongue And not just because you can't win the election, but also and most importantly, it won't get you the end result that you seek.

What do you want him to do, be a kamikze into the side of the Indianapois? Then once he crashes and burns, SS reform will be no better off, in fact it will be set backwards.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2011, 08:43:55 PM »

If you can bring yourself to trust someone in this mess (and I realize that is asking a lot, especially if you are independent or a third party member) then the perspective will change. If you trust that the Democrats have the best interests or trust nobody, then yes Boehner is a coward who is dodging the real issues. If you trust Boehner. The Democrats are the ones who are coping out on us. Which is by trying to bring this issue up, they will be reducing the overall amounts of cuts, whereas Boehner is extracting the maximum possible on these discretionary items first before moving on to do the same on entitlements.


Its all a matter of perspective who is screwing you, and who is fighting for your best interest.
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2011, 09:52:52 PM »

This is shocking news if you're an ostrich.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2011, 10:10:26 PM »

Amazing how facts take a back seat to "going with the flow" of the latest, popular, cynical, and anti-Boehner narrative of the day.


     He's picking out the easy targets, the ones that are small enough for nobody to notice. Old people would pitch a fit if their Social Security checks shrunk ever so slightly, & nobody in Washington would dare invoke their wrath.

No, Boehner and co. haven't hid their intentions, they've already said they favor raising the retirement age and plenty of Republicans have openly said they'll use the payroll tax cuts as a reason to curb SS spending. At this point it's just a question of whether him or Obama will budge first on the issue but it will happen. You can already see the prelude to that going on at the state level or overseas. It might not happen this year but it will happen sometime in the near future, if because nothing else the banks and bond holders are demanding it.

     So he's only sort of gutless rather than completely gutless? As Grumps has said, time isn't really a luxury we have. The longer this gets put off, the deeper the ditch we're stuck in will be.

If he doesn't play the game, it will die and it won't happen anyway. You go to war with the political process you have, not the one you would like to have. No offense buddy, but your position is a luxuary non-third party members can't afford to take. Tongue And not just because you can't win the election, but also and most importantly, it won't get you the end result that you seek.

What do you want him to do, be a kamikze into the side of the Indianapois? Then once he crashes and burns, SS reform will be no better off, in fact it will be set backwards.

     My issue is that I'm not sure how waiting to tackle it is so much better than tackling it now. For what little bit it's worth I'll give him until the formulation of the next budget as he has said the Republicans'll tackle it then, though I'm not really expecting results. It's not like I can cut the budget myself here. Tongue
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