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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2004, 12:37:01 PM »

What I've gathered from the hearigs that I've seens is that we knew the entire thing was going to happen but it was in like 5 parts.  Due to sh**tty computers and DB technology, we we're unable to assemble all 5 bits until after the fact.  Plus some poblems within the infrastructure caused disconnects that ed us with the computers.  Now that we've fixed the technology, all that remains is to fix the infrastructure.  The 9/11 commission report will probably be a bunch of suggestinos as to how to change to enhance our defense.
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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2004, 12:38:58 PM »

The Dem convention should be in Indianapolis or Phoenix.
The GOP convention should be in Chicago or Detroit.

why the  GOP in detroit, detroit can't handle it

I chose cities whose metro areas are just on the other side of winnable.  The convention might just give the party the edge to win the area and probably win the state as a result.
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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2004, 01:32:35 PM »

The Dem convention should be in Indianapolis or Phoenix.
The GOP convention should be in Chicago or Detroit.

why the  GOP in detroit, detroit can't handle it

I chose cities whose metro areas are just on the other side of winnable.  The convention might just give the party the edge to win the area and probably win the state as a result.

There are far more important considerations.  There's no city in New Hampshire, New Mexico, or West Virginia that could handle such a crowd.  I think facilities are the number one consideration, which is why only about 20 cities keep recirculating as the convention sites of choice.  The second should be does it sound like a fun place to hang out?  The words "indianapolis" and "phoenix" don't have that magic sound the way, say, the word "new orleans" does.

And Ground Zero, formerly known as The Big Apple, is probably about the best choice anyone can make, in both of these regards.  I think except for the possibility of being viewed as an exploiter of tragedy, the choice of NYC is about the best one the GOP could have made.  It is their timing, not the choice of sites, that will make 'em look like exploiters.
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2004, 02:42:43 PM »

The Dem convention should be in Indianapolis or Phoenix.
The GOP convention should be in Chicago or Detroit.

why the  GOP in detroit, detroit can't handle it

I chose cities whose metro areas are just on the other side of winnable.  The convention might just give the party the edge to win the area and probably win the state as a result.

There are far more important considerations.  There's no city in New Hampshire, New Mexico, or West Virginia that could handle such a crowd.  I think facilities are the number one consideration, which is why only about 20 cities keep recirculating as the convention sites of choice.  

How about Milwaukee?  Now that Gen-Con's moved to Indianapolis, they have plenty of room...
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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2004, 02:56:25 PM »

The Dem convention should be in Indianapolis or Phoenix.
The GOP convention should be in Chicago or Detroit.

why the  GOP in detroit, detroit can't handle it

I chose cities whose metro areas are just on the other side of winnable.  The convention might just give the party the edge to win the area and probably win the state as a result.

There are far more important considerations.  There's no city in New Hampshire, New Mexico, or West Virginia that could handle such a crowd.  I think facilities are the number one consideration, which is why only about 20 cities keep recirculating as the convention sites of choice.  

How about Milwaukee?  Now that Gen-Con's moved to Indianapolis, they have plenty of room...

Tricky.  Is there really a measurable return on the investment of putting the convention in swing states?  I've read that it 'helps' but no one can put forth quantifiable data on it.  I think it's total b.s.  I'd go for a fun place that's exciting and has lots of facilities.  NYC has the added benefit of being full of bitter cynical democrats salivating at the possibility of making asses of themselves on national television.  What an appropriate choice of party mascots they have.

Ground Zero rules!!!
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« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2004, 03:00:57 PM »

The Dem convention should be in Indianapolis or Phoenix.
The GOP convention should be in Chicago or Detroit.

why the  GOP in detroit, detroit can't handle it

I chose cities whose metro areas are just on the other side of winnable.  The convention might just give the party the edge to win the area and probably win the state as a result.

There are far more important considerations.  There's no city in New Hampshire, New Mexico, or West Virginia that could handle such a crowd.  I think facilities are the number one consideration, which is why only about 20 cities keep recirculating as the convention sites of choice.  

How about Milwaukee?  Now that Gen-Con's moved to Indianapolis, they have plenty of room...

Tricky.  Is there really a measurable return on the investment of putting the convention in swing states?  I've read that it 'helps' but no one can put forth quantifiable data on it.  I think it's total b.s.  I'd go for a fun place that's exciting and has lots of facilities.  NYC has the added benefit of being full of bitter cynical democrats salivating at the possibility of making asses of themselves on national television.  What an appropriate choice of party mascots they have.

Ground Zero rules!!!

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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2004, 03:34:45 PM »

Two points:

The UN recognizes eight forms of government.  Ours is called multiparty republic.  Like France and Mexico.  (I don't know why they feel the need to distinguish between multi-party and single-party republics, e.g., China or Egypt, but they do.)  Canada and Germany, for example, have parlimentary democracies.  Very different.

You have a guarantee in this Republic of the right to peacfully assemble to petition the government for a redress of grievances (or perceived grievances).  I would not suggest otherwise.  You also have the right to be a total dumbass.  I would not suggest otherwise.  What I would suggest is that New York City, in addition to all its obvious advantages, and in addition to its advantage of being Ground Zero and the attendant symbolism, also has the advantage of being a place where great philosophers like Michael Moore and Barbara Streisand can mobilize their minions into a frenzy of Bush-hatred so vile and apparent that I get all excited just thinking about it.
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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2004, 03:41:49 PM »

Republicans should have been in Indianapolis
Democrats should have been in Minneapolis

Both cities could handle it.  Indy is a republican state, but one that is in the midst of the battleground.  Minneapolis leans democrat and is also in the midst of the battleground.
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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2004, 07:57:36 PM »

every single city that could hold the convention of either party:

Seattle
Portland
SF
LA
San Diego
Pheonix
Denver
Houston
Dallas
St. Louis
New Orleans
Tampa
Miami
Orlando
Atlanta
Richmond
Washington
Baltimore
Philly
Pittsburgh
C,C and C, OH
Indianapolis
Chicago
Milwaukee
Twin Cities
Detroit
NYC
Boston

and maybe a couple of other like San antonia, Oklahoma City, Norfolk, Raleigh....etc.

Of the list, my top three DEM:

1. Detroit-heavily DEM, in a marginal-ish state
2. Miami-DEM, in an extremely marginal state
3. Portland-heavily DEM, in a marginal-ish state.

and top 3 GOP:

1. Twin Cities- pretty neutral for a large population area, in a swing state
2. Orlando-I thibk it is the most GOP city in FL, otherwise Tampa
3. Cinncinnatti-GOP in a swing state
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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2004, 08:40:04 PM »

Scratch Milwaukee off my list, that's where the Greens are holding theirs.
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« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2004, 11:38:34 PM »
« Edited: April 14, 2004, 11:38:55 PM by Nym90 »

Detroit definitely could handle it, and they have a beautiful new stadium that will host the 2006 Super Bowl, Ford Field. As for the idea that it is "fading"...well, maybe, but the downtown at least is getting better. The city is losing population, but is turning the corner a bit now in terms of being a better city in terms of having more amenities in the downtown area.
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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2004, 09:12:09 AM »

Scratch Milwaukee off my list, that's where the Greens are holding theirs.

Besides, Bush has visited Wisconsin so many times during his Presidency, we're beginning to call it "White House North."  No need to waste precious GOP funds on a convention here when Bush can just visit on the taxpayers' dime Smiley.
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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2004, 04:06:40 PM »

Hello!  What about Memphis!!!!
We might be joining NYC and LA in having the distinction of hosting the MTV VMA's this year!

every single city that could hold the convention of either party:

Seattle
Portland
SF
LA
San Diego
Pheonix
Denver
Houston
Dallas
St. Louis
New Orleans
Tampa
Miami
Orlando
Atlanta
Richmond
Washington
Baltimore
Philly
Pittsburgh
C,C and C, OH
Indianapolis
Chicago
Milwaukee
Twin Cities
Detroit
NYC
Boston

and maybe a couple of other like San antonia, Oklahoma City, Norfolk, Raleigh....etc.

Of the list, my top three DEM:

1. Detroit-heavily DEM, in a marginal-ish state
2. Miami-DEM, in an extremely marginal state
3. Portland-heavily DEM, in a marginal-ish state.

and top 3 GOP:

1. Twin Cities- pretty neutral for a large population area, in a swing state
2. Orlando-I thibk it is the most GOP city in FL, otherwise Tampa
3. Cinncinnatti-GOP in a swing state
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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2004, 06:37:23 PM »

It just keeps on getting better folks  Smiley

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/15/nyregion/15yippie.html
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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2004, 06:42:13 PM »

I read that article!
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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2004, 06:44:09 PM »

Hello!  What about Memphis!!!!
We might be joining NYC and LA in having the distinction of hosting the MTV VMA's this year!

every single city that could hold the convention of either party:

Seattle
Portland
SF
LA
San Diego
Pheonix
Denver
Houston
Dallas
St. Louis
New Orleans
Tampa
Miami
Orlando
Atlanta
Richmond
Washington
Baltimore
Philly
Pittsburgh
C,C and C, OH
Indianapolis
Chicago
Milwaukee
Twin Cities
Detroit
NYC
Boston

and maybe a couple of other like San antonia, Oklahoma City, Norfolk, Raleigh....etc.

Of the list, my top three DEM:

1. Detroit-heavily DEM, in a marginal-ish state
2. Miami-DEM, in an extremely marginal state
3. Portland-heavily DEM, in a marginal-ish state.

and top 3 GOP:

1. Twin Cities- pretty neutral for a large population area, in a swing state
2. Orlando-I thibk it is the most GOP city in FL, otherwise Tampa
3. Cinncinnatti-GOP in a swing state

I wasn't sure if I should've included Nashville or Memphis, so I didn't put either so as not to offend the other.

Either way, you proably wn't hold a convention.
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