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« on: March 17, 2011, 09:24:29 PM »

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_bcc204ce-50ee-11e0-9758-001cc4c002e0.html

I thought this defeated measure was noteworthy:

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Uh wow. There is really no convincing to me now that anti-immigrant hysteria is more harmful than anything illegal immigrants can bring.
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 09:45:34 PM »

Why do so many states hate Freedom?
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2011, 11:28:56 PM »

For defeating it?

Or is even one insane member reason to evict the entire chamber? Even when he's the majority leader?
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 11:34:48 PM »

For defeating it?

Or is even one insane member reason to evict the entire chamber? Even when he's the majority leader?

I meant the measure itself, I'm definitely glad it was defeated. I'm just a little taken back that States are even proposing amendments like this.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 11:47:10 PM »

About half the Arizona Senate Republicans were behind the package. They're crazy out there. Always have been, to an extent. It's to do with Arizona's settlement history - it's your own little South Africa Lite[/i] Australia of bad old White Australia days.
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2011, 11:51:56 PM »

That bill would seem illegal in some way, but I don't know exactly what laws it would be running afoul of.  Even if legal, it seems so utterly inhumane that it would inevitably lose in the court of public opinion.  Kicking children (including white children!) out of a relatively safe home in a public housing complex because one illegal immigrant is there?  
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 11:54:44 PM »

other bills they voted down in BRTD's link:

- require hospitals to make an effort to determine if the people they are treating are in this country legally
- make it a state crime for an illegal immigrant to drive in Arizona;
- bar admission into state universities and community colleges of anyone who cannot prove citizenship or legal residency;
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2011, 11:55:15 PM »

"Senators also refused to require parents to provide proof of citizenship or other legal presence for any child being enrolled in school."
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2011, 11:55:24 PM »

That bill would seem illegal in some way, but I don't know exactly what laws it would be running afoul of.  Even if legal, it seems so utterly inhumane that it would inevitably lose in the court of public opinion.  Kicking children (including white children!) out of a relatively safe home in a public housing complex because one illegal immigrant is there?

Oh, well in that case...

I also love the implication that all illegal immigrants are darkies.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2011, 11:59:02 PM »

That bill would seem illegal in some way, but I don't know exactly what laws it would be running afoul of.  Even if legal, it seems so utterly inhumane that it would inevitably lose in the court of public opinion.  Kicking children (including white children!) out of a relatively safe home in a public housing complex because one illegal immigrant is there?

Oh, well in that case...

I also love the implication that all illegal immigrants are darkies.

Implication? I was playing around with public stereotypes/perception of immigration issues, which are inherently filled with all kinds of nasty and/or inaccurate implications.
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2011, 01:36:01 AM »

I think it's worth noting that Pearce is basically a closeted white supremacist. Like literally, in that he associates with and accepts support from white supremacist organizations, not just using that as a slur against him.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2011, 01:39:09 AM »

But I have a feeling the main reason many Republicans opposed all this stuff was not because they were actually opposed to what was being proposed but because they knew it would never survive in court.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2011, 01:44:25 AM »

For defeating it?

Or is even one insane member reason to evict the entire chamber? Even when he's the majority leader?

I meant the measure itself, I'm definitely glad it was defeated. I'm just a little taken back that States are even proposing amendments like this.

States are proposing it?  No... as far as I know, it's only one Senator.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2011, 02:18:48 AM »

You wanna know something cool?

I flew to Austria, walked into the registration office at the University of Salzburg.. showed them my American passport... they snapped a photo of me, gave me a print out, sent me to another desk... they stamped a bunch of stuff.. and gave me a student ID with my picture on it.  That was it.  I had no idea how to register for classes (which basically was show up to the class and write your name down).

To pay the tuition of €700, twice the rate of Austrian students (for being a foreigner), I went to a machine.. entered my student ID card in one slot and my debit card in the other slot... and shazam.. it printed out a matriculation date on my ID and I was in.

The guy in the foreign students office told me, since I couldn't get a visa to study because I had already had a visa the semester before.. to just visit a country outside of the Schengen area for a weekend and come back and I'd have another 3 months in the country without a problem.  Back then.. that was a drunken weekend in Prague.. but now I think you have to do Switzerland.. because eastern Europe is Europizing.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2011, 02:20:36 AM »

And that's Austria, which is a rather xenophobic country to boot.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2011, 05:03:48 AM »

And that's Austria, which is a rather xenophobic country to boot.

Keep in mind that Snowguy is a white Wink
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2011, 09:09:58 AM »


The one senator was chosen by his colleagues to be the leader of the party in his chamber.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2011, 02:25:19 PM »


The one senator was chosen by his colleagues to be the leader of the party in his chamber.

It's one bill.  The fact that the bill was defeated would imply there's not overwhelming support for it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2011, 04:43:20 PM »

I think it was several bills, with only one member of the chamber not voting the same on all the bills. Anyways half his caucus turned against him here. That's, like, one half too few for comfort.
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2011, 05:23:17 PM »

And that's Austria, which is a rather xenophobic country to boot.

Keep in mind that Snowguy is a white Wink

and an American Student (I assume)
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