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« on: March 19, 2011, 02:55:50 PM »
« edited: March 21, 2011, 08:31:57 PM by Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC »

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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 02:58:54 PM »

A couple things.  I think this bill is necessary.  Unlike editing your vote, deletion is harder to prove, and vote deletion is thus much more serious.

A couple problems:

1.a.i. should be changed to have the Judiciary handle this.  The Assembly doesn't have the constitutional authority to debate guilt/innocence or give out punishments.  1.ii. would then be removed.

1.b. would be changed to reflect this as well.

As for 1.c., do you mean "elected" official, or "election" official?  If it's the latter, the only election official we have is the Governor.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2011, 06:47:24 PM »

I have so many issues with this proposal I'm not even sure where to begin.

First of, and as Inks already pointed out, keeping the legislating power, and the judicial power seperated is an essential part of any fair democracy.

Second, a period of 90 days after the election to bring this to the courts is too long of a period. If someone discovers that a person had indeed delated a post in an election thread that person would if responsible bring that to attention as soon as possible. A time-limit of 15 days for a person to sue, followed by another 15 day time-limit for court proceedings to begin, should be enough. We can't have people suing eachother for minor crimes that happened a quarter of a year ago (which in Atlasia time is almost three years)

I also think the penalties proposed are too draconian for this sort of minor, usually harmless crime, that is usally committed by new Atlasians without any intent or criminal design. Sure it's annoying when newbies don't read the rules (something that happens far too often) but such a long ban for that seems unreasonable.

Neither do I think we are constitutionally able to ban people from registring in the Mideast and becoming citizens. Sure we can ban them from voting, but we can't ban them from citizen ship. That would have to be re-written.

I'll stop rambling now
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 01:48:21 AM »

Ahh... I overlooked the ban on citizenship.  SC's right about that.

As for the statute of limitations, does anybody know offhand what it is for elections in the Mideast and/or federal elections?  If not, I'll look it up later.
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2011, 05:59:17 AM »

Ahh... I overlooked the ban on citizenship.  SC's right about that.

As for the statute of limitations, does anybody know offhand what it is for elections in the Mideast and/or federal elections?  If not, I'll look it up later.

     Statute of limitations on federal elections is one week, per Section 13, Clause 1 of the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2011, 01:13:28 PM »

OK, so a few amendments:

Amendment 1 (deals with unconstitutional issues):

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2011, 01:14:02 PM »

AYE

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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 06:43:24 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 08:31:32 PM »

 Aye to both amendments
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011, 11:24:02 PM »

This is a 24 hour vote, by the way.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2011, 02:29:24 AM »

Sorry I was away
I'll vote Aye to show my support. Had I been around, I would have accepted them as friendly.

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2011, 08:31:34 PM »

Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 4, and the NAYs are 0, with 1 not voting.  The AYEs have it, and both amendments are adopted.

The bill now reads as follows:

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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2011, 08:38:12 PM »

Also.  Clause 1.B. would need to be an amendment to the Constitution (at least my interpretation).  You can choose to remove it, or pass this as an Amendment.  That's up to you guys.
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2011, 08:57:23 PM »

OK, well Ogis, unless you have plans for this bill, there's not point bringing it to a vote while it's still unconstitutional... so you need to let me know what you want done here.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2011, 10:55:45 PM »

Since this session is winding to a close, what do y'all think about me re-entering this bill with only sections A and C?

(To Inks: We can let this specific bill die, and I'll reintroduce it, or something in its place, next session)
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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2011, 07:53:09 PM »

Since this session is winding to a close, what do y'all think about me re-entering this bill with only sections A and C?

(To Inks: We can let this specific bill die, and I'll reintroduce it, or something in its place, next session)

Should certainly be re-introduced. However the issue of practicality should still be ironed out.
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