Anyone notice how the press is lifting up Islam while smearing Christianity?

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badger
so then, you have no problem with taking the side of a mob that wants sharia...and you have no problem with 2/5 of uk muslims wanting sharia...as long as it doesn't impact u?  wow, what a nice person u r

[Badger]

badger
so then, you have no problem with taking the side of a mob that wants sharia...and you have no problem with 2/5 of uk muslims wanting sharia...as long as it doesn't impact u?  wow, what a nice person u r

No, Jim, I oppose laws imposing fundamentalist religious mores on society at large, regardless of whether the religious inspiration is orthodox Islam or orthodox Christianity. I simply believe that labeling all or even most Muslims in America as a threat to national security or a lobby for imposing Sharia law is simply incorrect, as is saying that the media is unfairly "pro-Islam and anti-Christianity" in its coverage. And the evidence you've offered of the latter has been decidedly weak.

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badger,
so u don't support muslims who want sharia law, including the egyptian street and the 2/5 of muslims in the uk?

[John Dibble]

1. There aren't billions of Muslims in the world. There might be 2 or so by this point, but I think even that might be a stretch (last time I checked they were 15-20% of a world population of about 7 billion)

It's 1.57–1.65 billion according to Wikipedia, just FYI.

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again, numbers aside, why are we siding with anyone opposed to freedom?

[John Dibble]

again, numbers aside, why are we siding with anyone opposed to freedom?

Overgeneralization much?

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dibble, sharia is tyranny...and tyranny is tyranny...so unless ur going to argue sharia isn't tyranny, how can u support, generally or specifically, anyone who advocates it?

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dibble, sharia is tyranny...and tyranny is tyranny...

It's sounds laughable in a lips of a Christian fundamentalist.

[bullmoose88]

dibble, sharia is tyranny...and tyranny is tyranny...

It's sounds laughable in a lips of a Christian fundamentalist.

Perhaps...but here's a question and I'm not sure how I'd answer...if islam/sharia presents the threat of tyranny...AND if Christianity and the Judeo-Christian moral code also presents the threat of tyranny...is one a worse situation to live under as opposed to the other?  Why or why not?

[John Dibble]

dibble, sharia is tyranny...and tyranny is tyranny...so unless ur going to argue sharia isn't tyranny, how can u support, generally or specifically, anyone who advocates it?

*facepalm* Do you even understand what the word "overgeneralization" means?

Also, keep in mind that the world is more complex than "tyranny is tyranny" - some tyrannies are worse than others.

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dibble, so you think the forcing others to accept a religion is worth openly supporting over what existed in egypt?

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I can think of no worse tyranny that physically forcing someone to believe something

[bullmoose88]

I can think of no worse tyranny that physically forcing someone to believe something

I knew that would be your answer.  That said, physical coercion is the most despicable thing eh?  Mental/Emotional/Cultural/Financial coercion to adhere to a moral code or the regulations/norms promulgated, explicitly or otherwise...(say...religions soft power as opposed to its hard power) is less offensive I presume?

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that 27thMarch story I posted yesterday...well at this moment that is the lead article at cnn.com

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bullmoose, r u saying the US is, or has been at any time in ur life, under a christian version of sharia law?

[bullmoose88]

bullmoose, r u saying the US is, or has been at any time in ur life, under a christian version of sharia law?

Not at all.  But thats not to say, some religiously based impositions don't exist...perhaps to some, a form of "christian tyranny." 

But thats where my question comes in...it really wasn't posed to you as I clearly knew, for better or worse, where you stood...if there is such a thing as islamic/sharia based tyranny...if one would call the regulations tyranny...which I know you would and if there was such a thing as Christian based tyranny...if one would call the typical "christian" country's socio-economic/cultural rules and its laws...tyranny...which would be worse to live under, or are both equally as bad...why/why not?

[bullmoose88]

Without presuming too much, I think that is the question (as overly verbose as it is, sorry) you are asking, or should be asking.

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for the 1000th time, let me be clear on this...any forced religion, christian or otherwise, is tyranny...that's why I have opposed sodomy laws and why I think consenting adults ing should have the right to privacy and should e free to believe and say what they want short of shouting fire in a theater

so don't attempt to use ur ignorance of my beliefs to justify ur support for those who want to establish a state religion 

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bullmose, I was referring to everyone, I wasn't directing it at u

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if the question is what tyranny do I find worse, christian or muslim...I see no difference for I would be killed under either

[John Dibble]

dibble, so you think the forcing others to accept a religion is worth openly supporting over what existed in egypt?

Maybe, maybe not - as I said, some tyrannies are worse than others, be they religious in nature or not.

The premise is that the status quo wasn't acceptable and as such change is needed. Whether that change ends up being for the better has not been established yet. Hopefully it will - not all people there there support imposing sharia, and that includes many Muslims, and hopefully their voices will have influence. I harbor no delusions that the results will turn Egypt into paradise on Earth or anything, but should they at least gain more political rights and freedoms it should allow for the possibility of future improvements. Under the old regime such progress would have been veritably impossible.

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johanus, ur making it sound like islam is a threat only to christianty, when in reality it is a threat to anyone not muslim, including those at CNN who r lifting it up

That wasn't my intent.

[anvi]

It also didn't really seem to me that the either the Gilgoff piece on CNN's website or the O'Brien program "smeared" Christianity at all.  They chronicled things like the threats against the Islamic center in Dearborn and both the vandalism and court cases that were brought against the Islamic center in Murfeesboro.  But neither journalist, it seemed to me, leveled blame at Christianity, Christian beliefs or anything like that.  The question seems in both stories to be, in these cases, whether Muslims have a right to purchase property and use it to build places of worship in this country.  I think they do.