SENATE BILL: Protect Libyan Citizens Act (Tabled)
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« on: March 29, 2011, 06:31:07 PM »
« edited: April 03, 2011, 05:53:09 PM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2011, 06:39:26 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 06:39:45 PM »
For the record, I am working with Senator HappyWarrior on a comprehensive bill dealing with Libya, which hopefully will be finished soon.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 06:40:40 PM »
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Is that offered as an amendment? Tongue

But anyway, I believe that we should be supporting the no-fly zone.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 08:51:14 PM »
« Edited: March 29, 2011, 09:00:19 PM by Which seat can I take? »
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Now there is an idea! Tongue

JK, of course. I agree with RowanBraxton on the "No Fly Zone", which was outlined in my address given last week.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 05:50:43 AM »
Unless we have defined "means", "assistance" and "Libyan people", this bill is just an empty slogan, potentially dangerous.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 10:21:53 AM »
Quote from: Secretary of External Affairs Ben on March 29, 2011, 06:39:45 PM
For the record, I am working with Senator HappyWarrior on a comprehensive bill dealing with Libya, which hopefully will be finished soon.

so you have any idea when? because I don't see much point in considering this bill if something more specific is about to be proposed.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 10:58:37 AM »
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Quote from: Secretary of External Affairs Ben on March 29, 2011, 06:39:45 PM
For the record, I am working with Senator HappyWarrior on a comprehensive bill dealing with Libya, which hopefully will be finished soon.

so you have any idea when? because I don't see much point in considering this bill if something more specific is about to be proposed.

Yeah, I mean we could always add a ton of amendments to this as a stop-gap measure until the aforementioned bill is introduced, but if it's not going to take too long...
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 11:25:25 AM »
<Takes GM's hat off>

Smells and sounds like the Gulf of Toinkin Resolution in its completely open-ended mandate.

Tmthforu may not be LBJ, but still......
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 11:36:19 AM »
If there are no reasonable amendments soon, that would spare us from the dangers Badger rightly mentioned, I'll push motion to table.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2011, 11:37:34 AM »
Also, I'd rather wait to see a detailed project, provided by the SoEA and HW.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2011, 01:06:22 PM »
Quote from: Badger on March 30, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
<Takes GM's hat off>

Smells and sounds like the Gulf of Toinkin Resolution in its completely open-ended mandate.

Tmthforu may not be LBJ, but still......
I thought of that too, as we just discussed it in history. Though it might be Gulf of Tonkin, not Toinken. Wink
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2011, 01:27:32 PM »
Quote from: Badger on March 30, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
<Takes GM's hat off>

Smells and sounds like the Gulf of Toinkin Resolution in its completely open-ended mandate.

Tmthforu may not be LBJ, but still......

I completely agree with you here, this bill is just ridiculous. 
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2011, 02:47:59 PM »
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Quote from: Badger on March 30, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
<Takes GM's hat off>

Smells and sounds like the Gulf of Toinkin Resolution in its completely open-ended mandate.

Tmthforu may not be LBJ, but still......

I completely agree with you here, this bill is just ridiculous. 

Regardless of Tmthforu himself, I don't want a precedent of giving President, no matter who holds the office at the moment, any sort of unchecked power. PERIOD.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2011, 04:05:19 PM »
Why does the legislative power has somehting to do here ? Isn't war a prerogative of the executive ?
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2011, 04:12:53 PM »
Quote from: Senator Antonio V on March 30, 2011, 04:05:19 PM
Why does the legislative power has somehting to do here ? Isn't war a prerogative of the executive ?

Oh... so it's no longer humanitarian stuff?

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2011, 04:25:55 PM »
Doesn't the amended version have to atleast be somewhat similar to the original bill, though?

This should be tabled.
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2011, 04:29:15 PM »
Quote from: Dallasfan65 on March 30, 2011, 04:25:55 PM
Doesn't the amended version have to atleast be somewhat similar to the original bill, though?

This should be tabled.

yeah, I tried to come up with some amendments in last hours, but it isn't working.

MOTION TO TABLE!

(Better wait for something good from Ben and Happy Tongue)
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2011, 04:30:53 PM »
Sure, if they are planning on having something out soon, I'll move to withdraw.
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2011, 04:32:17 PM »
Quote from: Partyin, Partyin, YEAH! on March 30, 2011, 04:30:53 PM
Sure, if they are planning on having something out soon, I'll move to withdraw.

Problem is, that we won't be able to do anything due to a very lenghty amending process (and possibly nasty fight) for a days, so it would be better to wait for SoEA.
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2011, 05:52:39 PM »
Quote from: Dallasfan65 on March 30, 2011, 04:25:55 PM
Doesn't the amended version have to atleast be somewhat similar to the original bill, though?

This should be tabled.

Well it depends. Mostly on what mood I am in. Tongue But bills have been completely changed at times.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2011, 05:56:13 PM »
Bacon King once pointed how technically we can just remove a bill from the floor if the sponsor withdraws it, which I had done previously. Instead 72 hours must be given for another Senator to potentially assume sponsorship.

So it may be that tabling is the quicker approach.


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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2011, 07:51:55 PM »
Quote from: Senator Antonio V on March 30, 2011, 04:05:19 PM
Why does the legislative power has somehting to do here ? Isn't war a prerogative of the executive ?

Article I, Section 5, Clause 19.
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2011, 10:49:05 AM »
Quote from: Sam Spade Revivalist on March 30, 2011, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: Dallasfan65 on March 30, 2011, 04:25:55 PM
Doesn't the amended version have to atleast be somewhat similar to the original bill, though?

This should be tabled.

yeah, I tried to come up with some amendments in last hours, but it isn't working.

MOTION TO TABLE!

(Better wait for something good from Ben and Happy Tongue)


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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2011, 01:15:25 PM »
So, what's about table motion? Tongue
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