KSM to be tried in military court......

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

In spite of Obama's wishes on the matter, military court it is......Holder to announce this today

[krazen1211]

And so Guantanemo is completely vindicated. Why did we bicker about this for years?

[Insula Dei]

And so Guantanemo is completely vindicated. Why did we bicker about this for years?

Epic wtf.

[The Dowager Mod]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

[Marokai Backbeat]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

Because it's not like he passed massive healthcare reform despite huge political risks, oh wait...

[Landslide Lyndon]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

Because it's not like he passed massive healthcare reform despite huge political risks, oh wait...

Congress essentially killed his proposals but it's not like he ever intended to fight for it.
That's essentially the problem all liberals have with Obama: he caves in too quickly and without giving at least a nominal fight.

[Marokai Backbeat]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

Because it's not like he passed massive healthcare reform despite huge political risks, oh wait...

Based almost entirely on old Republican proposals.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Kill him now.

[tpfkaw]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

It's not "caving" when you get exactly what you want.

[courts]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

Because it's not like he passed massive healthcare reform despite huge political risks, oh wait...

Based almost entirely on old Republican proposals.

And states wound up cutting medicaid after Romneycare 2.0 got shoved through. At this point the only things I think would be different in a McCain administration would be court appointments, and maybe more tax cuts in the stimulus bill. That's about it.

[angus]

They'd probably have tried Hermann Göring in military court if he hadn't digested that sodium cyanide pill first.  At least with Hermann there was probably a legitimate reason.

Damn bureaucrats.  It's like they don't even trust us.

I disagree.  Not because I don't trust KSM or his lawyers.  And not really because I don't trust the uniform code of military justice.  It's just insulting to the people.  I say we should try the bastard in a proper criminal court with a jury of his peers in lower Manhattan. 

[patrick1]

They'd probably have tried Hermann Göring in military court if he hadn't digested that sodium cyanide pill first.  At least with Hermann there was probably a legitimate reason.

Goring was tried and found guilty at Nuremberg.  He escaped the rope the night before his execution.

[angus]

They'd probably have tried Hermann Göring in military court if he hadn't digested that sodium cyanide pill first.  At least with Hermann there was probably a legitimate reason.

Goring was tried and found guilty at Nuremberg.  He escaped the rope the night before his execution.

Sure.  He was also a military man.  And a war criminal.  Whatever. 

I should have chosen a better example. 

I still think KSM ought to be tried properly.  UCMJ puts the burden of proof on the defense, not on the prosecution.  It's extremely insulting to the people of the US to do this.  And there's really no good reason to do it.  He's not an alleged war criminal.  He's an alleged terrorist.

[California8429]

Thank God.

It's one thing to stop waterboarding and other techniques, but I think Gitmo should be open none the less. Who wants these people in our prisons? Ritter got some major criticism when he said he'd be open to bringing them to our super max.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Thank God.

It's one thing to stop waterboarding and other techniques, but I think Gitmo should be open none the less. Who wants these people in our prisons? Ritter got some major criticism when he said he'd be open to bringing them to our super max.

They're not comic book villains, you know. They're human beings. I'm pretty sure a standard maximum security prison could handle them.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

They're not comic book villains, you know. They're human beings. I'm pretty sure a standard maximum security prison could handle them.

Typical idiot pinko. Contrary to what the liberal media tells you, suspected terrorists (all of them) do actually have magical powers. A member of Al Qaeda merely has to look at a door and it will open. Senior members can actually melt walls that haven't been specially treated. To say nothing of their powers of flight, mastery of disguise and astounding linguistic skills.

[Frodo]

Agree with the decision to use military tribunals to try terrorist suspects, as well as keeping Guantanamo Bay open as a terrorist internment facility.  This is one issue on which I am glad he caved. 

[Хahar 🤔]

I guess it makes sense if you don't care about the rule of law or anything like that.

[Boris]

I guess it makes sense if you don't care about the rule of law or anything like that.

Who the hell cares about the rule of law in the United States?

[The Dowager Mod]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

Because it's not like he passed massive healthcare reform despite huge political risks, oh wait...

After caving in to every industry demand and watering it down to where it does more harm than good,

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

Because it's not like he passed massive healthcare reform despite huge political risks, oh wait...

Congress essentially killed his proposals but it's not like he ever intended to fight for it.
That's essentially the problem all liberals have with Obama: he caves in too quickly and without giving at least a nominal fight.

Don't get me wrong, I too have this problem with Obama on a number of issues including this, Guantanamo, the weak financial "reform" bill, the Bush tax cuts, etc.  I would even argue that Obama, like Clinton, is more of a "reelectionist" than anything else.  However, I also think that a number of liberals simply ignore the things this administration has accomplished and that their expectations on certain issues are at odds with the political reality of the situation.  The 2010 healthcare bill was a massive step forward.  I wish it had been a bigger step forward, but honestly, I doubt that a stronger bill would have passed Congress at the time.  Now I am quite liberal, but I'm also a pragmatist.  Given the choice between the 2010 healthcare bill (which obviously passed) and a stronger bill (which would've probably been defeated), I'd choose the 2010 healthcare bill any day of the week.  A single-payer system and/or a public option are all well and good, but they weren't going to pass in 2010.  Significant incremental progress is better than no progress, and it's also better than only slight improvement and in 2010, those were the three choices.  So criticize Obama for pointlessly caving on the Bush tax cuts, or for breaking his promise to close Guantanamo, or for not taking advantage of either of his two opportunities to appoint at least one true liberal to the Supreme Court, but don't criticize him for the healthcare bill. 

[hawkeye59]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

Because it's not like he passed massive healthcare reform despite huge political risks, oh wait...

Congress essentially killed his proposals but it's not like he ever intended to fight for it.
That's essentially the problem all liberals have with Obama: he caves in too quickly and without giving at least a nominal fight.

Don't get me wrong, I too have this problem with Obama on a number of issues including this, Guantanamo, the weak financial "reform" bill, the Bush tax cuts, etc.  I would even argue that Obama, like Clinton, is more of a "reelectionist" than anything else.  However, I also think that a number of liberals simply ignore the things this administration has accomplished and that their expectations on certain issues are at odds with the political reality of the situation.  The 2010 healthcare bill was a massive step forward.  I wish it had been a bigger step forward, but honestly, I doubt that a stronger bill would have passed Congress at the time.  Now I am quite liberal, but I'm also a pragmatist.  Given the choice between the 2010 healthcare bill (which obviously passed) and a stronger bill (which would've probably been defeated), I'd choose the 2010 healthcare bill any day of the week.  A single-payer system and/or a public option are all well and good, but they weren't going to pass in 2010.  Significant incremental progress is better than no progress, and it's also better than only slight improvement and in 2010, those were the three choices.  So criticize Obama for pointlessly caving on the Bush tax cuts, or for breaking his promise to close Guantanamo, or for not taking advantage of either of his two opportunities to appoint at least one true liberal to the Supreme Court, but don't criticize him for the healthcare bill. 

I have to agree. Many of the things Obama did were the best anyone could do in the situation. Plus, don't forget the Don't Ask, Don't Tell repeal.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

And the wimp in chief caves again.

Because it's not like he passed massive healthcare reform despite huge political risks, oh wait...

After caving in to every industry demand and watering it down to where it does more harm than good,

QFT

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Agree, but I wouldn't have fussed if they'd have done it in a criminal court.