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« on: April 13, 2011, 10:55:16 pm »
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Charities Regulation Commission
1. The government of the Mideast, in order to protect the concessions and entitlements offered in law to charitable organsations and seeking to ensure the integrity of these entitlement does establish The Mideast Charities Regulation Commission.

2a. No organisation can be registered as a charity if it has only one member.
b. No organisation can be registered as a charity if it supports any ideals or espouses any view that conflicts with the Constitution of the Mideast Region or the Constitution of Atlasia.
c. No church or religious congregation can be registered as charity.

3a. i. Any charity under investigation by regional or federal investigation will have it's charitable status suspended pending the outcome of the investigation.
ii. If found to be in violation of the law any such charity will have it's status revoked.

b. All charities will be required to be re-assesed by the Commission every four years.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2011, 11:15:28 pm »
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I'm just telling you now I won't sign the bill with 2c in there. But I'm pretty sure that comes as no surprise to you. However I am not at all opposed to the bill having text stating that no charity that is also a religious organization or anything close, can deny it's services to someone of another religion (though there is nothing wrong with having a particular group to focus on with the same religion)
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2011, 02:15:27 am »
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Strongly oppose. Unless 2c is removed, I encourage the Governor to veto.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2011, 06:19:34 pm »
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Can you justify why the state should recognise churche's as charities?
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2011, 07:11:21 pm »
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I think it's pretty simple. If  a churches do charity work they're a charity, if they don't do charity work they're not a charity.

I see no reason why a church that puts up soup kitchen to feed the homeless, should be treated any differently than another organisation that does the same, while churches that don't have any charity programs shouldn't be treated as charities.

 

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2011, 07:27:12 pm »
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Can you justify why the state should recognise churche's as charities?

See SC's answer. And there have been success reform programs that bring faith into the picture and have better results. Look at what W did in Texas for prisoners. Good can come out of it. If you don't believe in a God, that's fine with me, but faith can help and propell those who need help in their life. We shouldn't deny them this.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2011, 07:29:20 pm »
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Perhaps a definition of "charity" is in order, instead of just saying who's not a charity.
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2011, 06:24:06 am »
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I think it's pretty simple. If  a churches do charity work they're a charity, if they don't do charity work they're not a charity.

I see no reason why a church that puts up soup kitchen to feed the homeless, should be treated any differently than another organisation that does the same, while churches that don't have any charity programs shouldn't be treated as charities.

 

I don't disagree, but what should be treated as a charity; the church body itself or a seperate 'arm' of the church that does charitable things? Note that the bill states that a 'congregation' cannot be considered a charity. There is nothing to stop a St John's Catholic Church setting up a small volunteer charity affiliated with that runs a soup kitchen...but the Church itself cannot be a charity. It's for auditing and accountancy purposes.

Reading the bill would help guys Smiley

Perhaps a definition of "charity" is in order, instead of just saying who's not a charity.

That can be arranged.
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2011, 12:26:22 am »
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what is the intention behind 2b?
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2011, 11:29:39 am »
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what is the intention behind 2b?

Very straightforward; you cannot be a registered charity if you espouse ideals contrary to the constitution.
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2011, 11:38:26 am »
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what is the intention behind 2b?

Very straightforward; you cannot be a registered charity if you espouse ideals contrary to the constitution.

Isn't it dangerous to say "support" though? I mean I don't have a problem with the charity as long as they obey the constitution, but if they voice their displeasure with it with their freedom of speech, I don't see a problem with that.
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2011, 05:30:07 pm »
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what is the intention behind 2b?

Very straightforward; you cannot be a registered charity if you espouse ideals contrary to the constitution.

Isn't it dangerous to say "support" though? I mean I don't have a problem with the charity as long as they obey the constitution, but if they voice their displeasure with it with their freedom of speech, I don't see a problem with that.

But the issue is over charitable status (and associated perks) It should not be in the government's interest to give tax breaks to organisations supporting unconstitutional measures.
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2011, 09:33:01 pm »
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what is the intention behind 2b?

Very straightforward; you cannot be a registered charity if you espouse ideals contrary to the constitution.

Isn't it dangerous to say "support" though? I mean I don't have a problem with the charity as long as they obey the constitution, but if they voice their displeasure with it with their freedom of speech, I don't see a problem with that.

But the issue is over charitable status (and associated perks) It should not be in the government's interest to give tax breaks to organisations supporting unconstitutional measures.

To be clear though, you're saying if someone from the potential charity states their disagreement with our constitution, they would exempt them from getting benefits to help them provide for others and turn around lives?
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2011, 03:51:49 pm »
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what is the intention behind 2b?

Very straightforward; you cannot be a registered charity if you espouse ideals contrary to the constitution.

Isn't it dangerous to say "support" though? I mean I don't have a problem with the charity as long as they obey the constitution, but if they voice their displeasure with it with their freedom of speech, I don't see a problem with that.

But the issue is over charitable status (and associated perks) It should not be in the government's interest to give tax breaks to organisations supporting unconstitutional measures.

To be clear though, you're saying if someone from the potential charity states their disagreement with our constitution, they would exempt them from getting benefits to help them provide for others and turn around lives?

Yes. I really am scratching my head here; do you think we should give benefits to charities that oppose the constitution? Say (Godwin's law/Seinfeld reference here) the local Nazi Group that believes in racial supremacy and the ending of democracy runs a soup kitchen; should we be able to give it regional funds to do so and recognise it as a charity?
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2011, 06:26:58 pm »
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Afleitch, did you have an idea of what you wanted to define a charity as?
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2011, 06:36:04 pm »
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Would there be any cost of running the comission or anything like that?
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2011, 11:09:26 am »
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What is the imputus behind this bill anyway? Why on earth do we need this, Inks? Has something in RL inspired this?
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2011, 06:47:58 am »
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I'm withdrawing this bill. I feel I have done my best to explain precisely why certain provisions were included in the bill but the support is clearly not there; charities shall remain unregulated! Huzzah!

I'm off to set one up and siphon the funds Wink
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2011, 10:25:29 pm »
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I'm withdrawing this bill. I feel I have done my best to explain precisely why certain provisions were included in the bill but the support is clearly not there; charities shall remain unregulated! Huzzah!

I'm off to set one up and siphon the funds Wink

For the record, I'm not against it, but if it's your wish, so be it.
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