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« on: December 03, 2004, 05:48:42 pm »
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Stupid Partisan Hack List
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2004, 05:59:06 pm »
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Well, I read some stuff from this one guy who said that the CIA had rigged every election since 1964, so he probably thinks that Ohio was stolen too.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2004, 06:00:36 pm »
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Actually, I've heard of moonbats charging that Florida was stolen,and there we're talking an almost 400,000 vote margin. Nothing surprises me with the left these days.
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2004, 06:05:45 pm »
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Actually, I've heard of moonbats charging that Florida was stolen,and there we're talking an almost 400,000 vote margin. Nothing surprises me with the left these days.

So you have two people and use that to try and characterize all the left of center people on this site. That's typical of the right. Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2004, 06:39:07 pm »
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Where did I characterize "ALL THE LEFT OF CENTER PEOPLE ON THIS SITE"?  I specifically said "moonbats".

Do you mean ALL left of center people are moonbats?  I certainly didn't say that.

However, those on the left who claim this election was stolen do indeed fall under that heading.

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2004, 07:28:58 pm »
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Where did I characterize "ALL THE LEFT OF CENTER PEOPLE ON THIS SITE"? I specifically said "moonbats".

Do you mean ALL left of center people are moonbats? I certainly didn't say that.

However, those on the left who claim this election was stolen do indeed fall under that heading.



Well you did say that nothing surprises you with the left these days, which seemed to imply that all, or at least most, of those on the left believe Ohio was stolen. I don't believe that was your actual intention, but the wording could be interpreted that way.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2004, 07:39:26 pm »
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I'm just going to assume that every leftist who doesn't actually come out and say "Ohio was not stolen" thinks it was.
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2004, 07:45:22 pm »
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The is left

There is right

and then there is "loony-bin" crazy.

"Loony-bin" is a bi-partisan condition.

Of late the Left does seem to have a few more high profile nut-jobs than the right, but over the long haul this is a cyclical matter. 

I am sure things will swing back to forth like it always does.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2004, 07:56:44 pm »
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The is left

There is right

and then there is "loony-bin" crazy.

"Loony-bin" is a bi-partisan condition.

Of late the Left does seem to have a few more high profile nut-jobs than the right, but over the long haul this is a cyclical matter.

I am sure things will swing back to forth like it always does.

The party out of power always seems to have more nutjobs. The loons always are most passionate in opposition to something than they are in support of something.

It's easier to destroy than create. You have entropy on your side. Hence most loons prefer that route....
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2004, 07:57:26 pm »
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I'm just going to assume that every leftist who doesn't actually come out and say "Ohio was not stolen" thinks it was.

Ah yes, guilty until proven innocent. A fine American tradition, isn't it?
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2004, 07:59:01 pm »
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The is left

There is right

and then there is "loony-bin" crazy.

"Loony-bin" is a bi-partisan condition.

Of late the Left does seem to have a few more high profile nut-jobs than the right, but over the long haul this is a cyclical matter. 

I am sure things will swing back to forth like it always does.

51% of Alabama voted in favor of Jim Crow.
That's a lot of right-wing nutcases.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2004, 08:02:51 pm »
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 Amendment 2 was horribly, horribly worded:

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of Alabama of 1901, to repeal portions of Section 256 and Amendment 111 relating to separation of schools by race and repeal portions of Amendment 111 concerning constitutional construction against the right to education, and to repeal Section 259, Amendment 90, and Amendment 109 relating to the poll tax.


I haven't seen any numbers, but I bet even many minorities mistakenly voted against this amendment because of the confusing language.

Imagine if you haven't been following this and the first time you see it is in the voting booth.  You have to read this, along with 7 other confusing amendments while a large line of people is waiting behind you.  It's not surprising that about 30% of Alabama voters did not vote on the amendment at all.

I did some research on the 8 Alabama counties that have a Black population of over 60%.  Of these, 5 of them have Black populations of over 70 %.

Amendment 2 was defeated in one of them (Hale County is 60% Black and voted down the measure 55-45%).  Dallas County, which is 63% Black barely voted for the amendment 51-49%.  Wilcox County, which is 73% Black, only favored the measure 55-45%.

An amazing 60% of the voters in Bullock County (73% Black) did not vote at all on the amendment.  The same can be said for around 46% of Marengo County and about 40% of Dallas County.

African American turnout in Alabama matched its percentage of the population.

I can't help but believe the defeat of the amendment was due to people of both races not understanding the wording on the ballot.  A 15 to 20 point swing of African American voters being in favor of keeping racist language in the constitution is just too much for me to think that it was done intentionally.

Alabama needs a new constituiton.  The current one has 287 sections and about 750 amendments.  There were 8 constitutional amendments on the ballot this year.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2004, 10:54:37 pm »
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I guess without paper trails, we'll never find out, will we?
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2004, 10:57:05 pm »
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I guess without paper trails, we'll never find out, will we?

An election is just as easy to steal with a paper trail.
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2004, 10:59:05 pm »
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It's no more loony to say that Ohio was stolen than it is to suggest that it could not have been. Our election system is an embarrassment and needs a major overhaul.

My opinion? It may have been. I'm glad they are going to recount.
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2004, 11:00:51 pm »
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Uh, Bush won the state by over 100,000 votes. There isn't going to be a recount; the Electoral College votes in a couple weeks.
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2004, 11:22:39 pm »
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The is left

There is right

and then there is "loony-bin" crazy.

"Loony-bin" is a bi-partisan condition.

Of late the Left does seem to have a few more high profile nut-jobs than the right, but over the long haul this is a cyclical matter.

I am sure things will swing back to forth like it always does.

Back in the late 1990s, the "looney-bin" pendulum had swung far too the right.  Then with the 2000 election, 9/11 attacks and the war of Iraq, the pendulum has radically swung back in the other direction to where I'm now pretty sure the "looney-bin" pendulum is very far on the left, probably much further than it was with the right in the late-90s.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2004, 12:31:15 am »
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Uh, Bush won the state by over 100,000 votes. There isn't going to be a recount; the Electoral College votes in a couple weeks.
You really need to start paying attention to what's going on:
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/10333702.htm?1c
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2004, 12:33:34 am »
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That link is just to a registration page.
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2004, 12:41:28 am »
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It's easier to destroy than create. You have entropy on your side. Hence most loons prefer that route....

A disturbing, but unfortunately accurate observation.

Perhaps if we outlawed the 2nd law of thernodynamics...?
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2004, 12:51:02 am »
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Uh, Bush won the state by over 100,000 votes. There isn't going to be a recount; the Electoral College votes in a couple weeks.
You really need to start paying attention to what's going on:
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/10333702.htm?1c

Direct link - I think Smiley

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/10333702.htm
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2004, 01:13:11 am »
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The effect of the ruling is that a recount will still occur but probably won't be over before Ohio's electors meet Dec. 13th.

Completely meaningless.
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2004, 01:45:27 am »
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I guess without paper trails, we'll never find out, will we?

An election is just as easy to steal with a paper trail.

It's harder to steal if there's a paper trail. Electronic voting allows you to steal thousands of precincts at once.
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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2004, 01:47:19 am »
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The effect of the ruling is that a recount will still occur but probably won't be over before Ohio's electors meet Dec. 13th.

Completely meaningless.

The 1876 election wasn't decided until March 1877.
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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2004, 01:51:21 am »
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The effect of the ruling is that a recount will still occur but probably won't be over before Ohio's electors meet Dec. 13th.

Completely meaningless.

The 1876 election wasn't decided until March 1877.

JFRAUD,

In the 19th Century the inaugurations were not held until March 20th of the following year of the election.
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