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« on: April 18, 2011, 06:06:46 pm »
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Guinea Pigs & Co. Protection Act

Considering that neutering of such spices like guinea pigs, hamsters or chinchilla, is much more complicated, health and life threatening procedure than neutering or larger animals, like dogs or cats:
1. Only a veterinarian with a certificate of knowledge and skills sufficient to perform such procedure, shall be allowed to
2. Certificates shall be issued by a revelant institutions of federal and regional governments with a strict regard to a veterinarian qualifications


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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2011, 06:42:16 pm »
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Fellow Senators,

The idea of this bill is very simple. Neutering of such species is rather dangerous process, only an experienced vet should perform. All we have to do is to require federal or regional responsible bodies to issue certificates, based upon veterinarian qualities. Such simple and noncontroversial thing, that can save lives and health of thousands of little piggies, hamsters etc. etc.

Oh, Duke, you said you hate cats. Guinea pigs hates cats too for rather obvious reasons Wink
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2011, 07:15:58 pm »
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This brings me back to the good days of 1st grade playing with our class pet, a guinea pig. His name was Hairbrush.

*Sigh*
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2011, 08:11:16 pm »
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As the owner of a wonderful guinea pig, I strongly support this bill.
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2011, 03:35:06 pm »
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May I offer an amendment to change "spices" to "species"? Grin
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2011, 06:25:43 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2011, 07:14:48 pm »
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what are the 'relevant institutions'?  since this is a federal bill, it would need to be a federal institution, otherwise it is a regional issue.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2011, 07:38:37 pm »
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So we have doctors doing this procedure that don't know what they're doing? I'm confused.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2011, 11:13:19 pm »
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what are the 'relevant institutions'?  since this is a federal bill, it would need to be a federal institution, otherwise it is a regional issue.

Well, in the U.S. Department of Agriculture have veterinary service and I think it's safe to assume in Atlasia, Department of Internal Affairs have this as well.

I can amend it that way.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2011, 04:09:43 am »
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2011, 04:25:25 am »
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Since shua had a valid point here, I'd like to introduce following amendment:

2. Certificates shall be issued by Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service division of the Department of Internal Affairs, with a strict regard to a veterinarian qualifications
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2011, 01:25:10 am »
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Since shua had a valid point here, I'd like to introduce following amendment:

2. Certificates shall be issued by Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service division of the Department of Internal Affairs, with a strict regard to a veterinarian qualifications

very good - I didn't realize there was such a thing.

what about rabbits? or hedgehogs? or very tiny dogs?
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2011, 07:33:44 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2011, 04:25:15 pm »
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Rowan, in response to your question, we all know not every surgeon can perform certain kind of operation, but veterinarian world lacks such common sense regulations.

Shua, that's interesting but, despite size, small dog neuterins is not as complicated as guinea pig or hampster. See, diffrent testicals, lol.
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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2011, 07:22:43 pm »
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I figure I'd chime in on this one considering the sponsor so nicely called me out. Wink

First, I've never owned a guinea pig, but if they are anything close to as pleasant as my pet hampster, Tiger, then I'd gladly support this.

My only question is, like Rowan asked, do we really have doctors performing procedures they don't know how to perform? Or is this just merely to make it official? I don't pretend to know anything about the neutering of guinea pigs, so unlike the cat bill, I'm willing to be educated. Tongue
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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2011, 11:30:54 pm »
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2011, 11:31:43 pm »
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Quote from: Judge Roy Moore cares for me and you on April 20, 2011, 04:25:25 am
Since shua had a valid point here, I'd like to introduce following amendment:

2. Certificates shall be issued by Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service division of the Department of Internal Affairs, with a strict regard to a veterinarian qualifications

Senators have 24 hours to object to this amendment.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2011, 05:20:10 am »
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I figure I'd chime in on this one considering the sponsor so nicely called me out. Wink

First, I've never owned a guinea pig, but if they are anything close to as pleasant as my pet hampster, Tiger, then I'd gladly support this.

My only question is, like Rowan asked, do we really have doctors performing procedures they don't know how to perform? Or is this just merely to make it official? I don't pretend to know anything about the neutering of guinea pigs, so unlike the cat bill, I'm willing to be educated. Tongue

Sorry for easter delay. I'll responde soon.
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2011, 08:20:46 am »
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Well, Duke, the issue of neutering guinea pigs and hampsters is very similar physically.

I gave up an attempt to neuter my piggy, because it's difficult to find a doctor, that would perform a safe operation. Well, it's not like they are not taught this stuff during studies, but surprisingly few can be trusted enough. Most of them doesn't have experience to do this, and some would even refuse, knowing their shortcomings.

Normally, people are avoiding giving their pigs and hampsters to unproved doctor, but this simple bill is going to make our pets 100% safe.
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2011, 11:02:10 am »
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It's hard to see how anyone can be opposed to this, although I second what Duke said in that I wasn't aware it was a major problem. But hey, can't hurt. Tongue
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2011, 11:41:21 am »
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Well, Duke, the issue of neutering guinea pigs and hampsters is very similar physically.

I gave up an attempt to neuter my piggy, because it's difficult to find a doctor, that would perform a safe operation. Well, it's not like they are not taught this stuff during studies, but surprisingly few can be trusted enough. Most of them doesn't have experience to do this, and some would even refuse, knowing their shortcomings.

Normally, people are avoiding giving their pigs and hampsters to unproved doctor, but this simple bill is going to make our pets 100% safe.

I don't see how this bill would make one more able to find a qualified vet to do it. It would still be just as hard or harder to find a vet who could do it if you added a specific license requirement, yes?
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2011, 11:44:05 am »
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I don't see how this bill would make one more able to find a qualified vet to do it.

True, but it would prevent animals from getting into hands of unqualified ones.

Believe me, one of my friends lost it's hampster this way Sad
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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2011, 12:18:03 pm »
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I never had any of my hamsters fixed. I wasn't aware that was a widespread operation, but I'm all for protecting the little rodents.
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2011, 12:57:29 pm »
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Quote from: Judge Roy Moore cares for me and you on April 23, 2011, 04:25:15 pm

Shua, that's interesting but, despite size, small dog neuterins is not as complicated as guinea pig or hampster. See, diffrent testicals, lol.

okay but what about rabbits? weasels?
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