Rank these cities from most liberal to most conservative

[RIP Robert H Bork]

I wonder how the forum would rank these cities, politically. Remember, it's most liberal and conservative, not Democratic and Republican.

(As the cities stand now, they're ranked by population.)

New York City, NY
Los Angeles, CA
Chicago, IL
Houston, TX
Philadelphia, PA
Phoenix, AZ
San Antonio, TX
San Diego, CA
Dallas, TX
Jacksonville, FL
Indianapolis, IN
San Francisco, CA
Austin, TX
Columbus, OH
Detroit, MI
Memphis, TN
Baltimore, MD
Boston, MA
Seattle, WA
Washington, DC
Denver, CO
Milwaukee, WI
Portland, OR
Oklahoma City, OK
Kansas City, MO
Atlanta, GA
Miami, FL
Cleveland, OH
Tulsa, OK
Minneapolis, MN
New Orleans, LA
St. Louis, MO
Pittsburgh, PA
Cincinnati, OH
Salt Lake City, UT

[bgwah]

I tend to think of San Francisco, New York (particularly Manhattan), Seattle, and DC as the ultra-liberal cities. I think if we're talking about New York as a whole, even if its actually a bit more Republican than some of the other cities, it's still among the most economically left-wing, while Seattle and SF are more socially liberal (but also economically). Seattle and San Francisco manage to be ~85% Obama despite having small black populations. DC is only around 1/2 black now, but considering how well Obama did, I think you can probably conclude that DC whites are probably around as leftist as SF/Manhattan/Seattle whites are. I mention race and demographics since I want to avoid a boring blackest/most Democrat perspective that is merely reflective of segregation.

[courts]

San Antonio is probably the most moderate hero.

[phk]

1.) Find the Obama % and Black %, Hispanic % from each city.

2.) Rank them in order as Obama%-Black% - (.65)Hispanic%. Arbitrary I know but...

3.) Done

[Del Tachi]

NOLA takes the number one-spot for most liberal, IMHO. 

[opebo]

(As the cities stand now, they're ranked by population.)

New York City, NY
Los Angeles, CA
Chicago, IL
Houston, TX
Philadelphia, PA
Phoenix, AZ
San Antonio, TX
San Diego, CA
Dallas, TX
Jacksonville, FL
Indianapolis, IN
San Francisco, CA
Austin, TX
Columbus, OH
Detroit, MI
Memphis, TN
Baltimore, MD
Boston, MA
Seattle, WA
Washington, DC
Denver, CO
Milwaukee, WI
Portland, OR
Oklahoma City, OK
Kansas City, MO
Atlanta, GA
Miami, FL
Cleveland, OH
Tulsa, OK
Minneapolis, MN
New Orleans, LA
St. Louis, MO
Pittsburgh, PA
Cincinnati, OH
Salt Lake City, UT

OK keep in mind the above ranking is clearly for just the official 'City of' not for the metro area (if St. Louis Metro were included, it would move quite far up the list - much bigger than New Orleans, Kansas City, Milwaukee, and others).

So, by that definition St. Louis is quite liberal, but it is only about 350,000 out of a 2.4 million  metro.

[freepcrusher]

from someone who has lived in some of these areas here is most conservative to least conservative

Tulsa
OKC
Phoenix
Jacksonville
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
Dallas
Salt Lake City
Memphis
Houston
San Antonio
San Diego
Pittsburgh
Milwaukee
Columbus
New Orleans
Atlanta
Kansas City
Detroit
Baltimore
Miami
Chicago
Boston
Philadelphia
Austin
Los Angeles
Minneapolis
New York
DC
Seattle
Portland
San Francisco

 

[Smash255]

from someone who has lived in some of these areas here is most conservative to least conservative

Tulsa
OKC
Phoenix
Jacksonville
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
Dallas
Salt Lake City
Memphis
Houston
San Antonio
San Diego
Pittsburgh
Milwaukee
Columbus
New Orleans
Atlanta
Kansas City
Detroit
Baltimore
Miami
Chicago
Boston
Philadelphia
Austin
Los Angeles
Minneapolis
New York
DC
Seattle
Portland
San Francisco

 

You missed St Louis, Denver and Cleveland.  Also I would say Atlanta is more liberal than KC

[Dgov]

Do you mean culturally or in terms of their voting habit?  Cause if you mean "Willingness to support Liberal candidates" Detroit tops the list.  I think McCain got under 5% of the vote there.

Also, Miami should be higher (it's only Liberal part is the blacks in the north, ~65% of the city is moderate) and so should Austin (which is only maybe 75% Obama.  It has a liberal rep because it doesn't have any Uber-Republican suburbs like every other Texas city).  Dallas should be lower than Houston also, its far more Liberal (mostly cause its smaller--Houston has alot of what would be suburbs in it proper which holds its percentage down, and alot of minorities live north of Houston in what should be part of the city proper but isn't).  The Conservative parts of Dallas are sort of swing-territory while the COnservative parts of Houston are like 75% McCain, easy.

Houston actually should be close to the top of the list--obama only got 60% there in 2008, less than almost any other large city in the US.

[freepcrusher]

don't let the county results fool you. Dallas County has 2.4 million residents, Harris County has four million. If you drew a square box in Harris County that was as many square miles big as Dallas County, the county would vote more like Fulton Co, GA. All those blood red precincts exist in DFW, they just aren't in the county. They are in places like Southlake, Flower Mound, Frisco etc.

Plus, Houston actually has Fort Bend County, which is similar to Loudoun county. Although FB county voted for JMC, it could be democrat by the end of the decade as its very diverse. A lot of blacks, whites, asians/indians, and hispanics. You would be hard-pressed to find something like that in McKinney. 

[phk]

For San Diego, its either the most liberal of the conservative cities or the most conservative of the liberal cities.

[Elyski]

L.A. at most liberal, Salt Lake City at most conservative. Miami is around the middle along with Columbus and Kansas City.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Salt Lake City is not conservative. Very far from it. It's probably the most liberal city in the interior west after Denver and Boulder.

[freepcrusher]

Well judging by who Salt Lake City has as their US Rep, I would say that it is democrat leaning but the democrats in SLC are more what you call "tory dems" as opposed to a Barbara Lee type democrat.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Well judging by who Salt Lake City has as their US Rep, I would say that it is democrat leaning but the democrats in SLC are more what you call "tory dems" as opposed to a Barbara Lee type democrat.

That's a pretty lousy measure. SLC is carved up and doesn't make up anywhere near the majority of any congressional district. On the contrary, this guy used to be mayor of SLC.

[Alcon]

Well judging by who Salt Lake City has as their US Rep, I would say that it is democrat leaning but the democrats in SLC are more what you call "tory dems" as opposed to a Barbara Lee type democrat.

SLC voted strongly for Obama -- strongly enough to deliver the entire county to him, despite the population of the SLC suburbs.  It's a liberal town, although BRTD is overestimating how liberal the entire city is.

[memphis]

NOLA takes the number one-spot for most liberal, IMHO. 

It's a heavily GOP metro area. Guess it depends how you define the city (and how you define "liberal, for that matter.)

[Badger]

from someone who has lived in some of these areas here is most conservative to least conservative

Tulsa
OKC
Phoenix
Jacksonville
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
Dallas
Salt Lake City
Memphis
Houston
San Antonio
San Diego
Pittsburgh
Milwaukee
Columbus
New Orleans
Atlanta
Kansas City
Detroit
Baltimore
Miami
Chicago
Boston
Philadelphia
Austin
Los Angeles
Minneapolis
New York
DC
Seattle
Portland
San Francisco

 

You missed St Louis, Denver and Cleveland.  Also I would say Atlanta is more liberal than KC

Cinncinatti should probably be moved up that list. While Hamilton County is relatively conservative for a metro area (though turning into a swing region), Cinci itself is decidedly left of center, augmented by a llarge black population.

Pittsburgh should be considerably higher on this list as well.

[freepcrusher]

Houston actually should be close to the top of the list--obama only got 60% there in 2008, less than almost any other large city in the US.

That's a very subjective fact. I'm pretty sure George McGovern won the city of Houston. The only reason it doesn't vote as heavily democratic is because as you said earlier, a lot of areas that would otherwise be suburbs have been annexed into the city since 1972

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

In 1972 Houston made up a hell of a lot larger percentage of Harris County than it does now, so I have a tough time believing McGovern won it when Nixon got over 62% in the county.

[freepcrusher]

In 1972 Houston made up a hell of a lot larger percentage of Harris County than it does now, so I have a tough time believing McGovern won it when Nixon got over 62% in the county.

I have the almanac of American Politics with me. According to the book, the 18th congressional district contained most of the city of Houston. The district gave McGovern 65% to Nixon's 35%.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

In the 1970 Census Houston had a population of over 1.2 million, the US population was 203 million. This equals about 465k per congressional district. There is no way that most of Houston's population was in one district.

[freepcrusher]

Well the book says that the remainder of Houston was in the 8th district. It basically took in everything outside of the loop north of I-10 and east of I-45 in Harris County. Nixon won it 54-46. Bob Eckhardt was the representative of that district. Compared with the other Texas Democrats he had high ADA ratings: 92 in 1970, and 94 in 1971 and 1972.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Tulsa
Oklahoma City
Jacksonville
Houston
Dallas
Indianapolis
Cincinnati
San Antonio
Memphis
San Diego
Milwaukee
Kansas City
Pittsburgh
Salt Lake City
St. Louis
New Orleans
Atlanta
Columbus
Miami
Detroit
Cleveland
Baltimore
Chicago
Philadelphia
Los Angeles
Minneapolis
Denver
Austin
Portland
New York
DC
San Francisco
Seattle

[Dgov]

In the 1970 Census Houston had a population of over 1.2 million, the US population was 203 million. This equals about 465k per congressional district. There is no way that most of Houston's population was in one district.

Actually, if that is true that Houston basically was Harris county, which was only 1.7 Million people in 1970.

EDIT:  I remember someone posting a link to a bunch of old Texas redistricting maps in the redistricting thread somewhere.  Too lazy and tired to go look for it though, but it might be worth checking out.