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« on: April 26, 2011, 09:03:24 AM »

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_POLL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-04-26-07-04-09

-   37 percent have a "very favorable" view of the Muslim Brotherhood
-   62 percent believe laws should strictly follow the teachings of the Quran
-   only 36 percent of those questioned believe it is "very important" for Christians and other minorities to freely practice their religions
-   >50% would like to see the 1979 peace agreement with Israel annulled

now, imagine how easy it would be for Hamas to start a squabble with Israel just prior to the Egyptian elections in order to sway the elections even more towards Islam – so don’t expect these numbers to get any better.
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 09:33:00 AM »

I wonder what percentage of Americans would deem it 'very important' that Muslims can exercise their religion as they wish or that US laws would be in the spirit of the Bible. But then again, all Muslims support Al-Qaeda and hate America and aren't worthy of any compassion we may feel for them. As long as our puppet dictators keep thm down and out of our sight, everything is okay in the Middle East Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 09:44:51 AM »

How much in the way of 'freedom of religion' do you think there was under the Mubarak dictatorship? The regime that you supported was almost certainly responsible for a lot of the more extreme forms of anti-Copt bigotry in Egypt.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 09:47:43 AM »

I wonder what percentage of Americans would deem it 'very important' that Muslims can exercise their religion as they wish or that US laws would be in the spirit of the Bible.
dude, stop being a joke member of this forum.  

freedom of religion is the cornerstone of this country, for without it, there is no freedom of speech or press.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

you obviously know nothing about the establishment of this country or why religious people made the trip across the Atlantic.

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But then again, all Muslims support Al-Qaeda and hate America and aren't worthy of any compassion we may feel for them. As long as our puppet dictators keep thm down and out of our sight, everything is okay in the Middle East Smiley
do you always attempt to make stupid arguments?
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 09:48:23 AM »

...the Mubarak dictatorship? The regime that you supported....

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 09:53:34 AM »

...the Mubarak dictatorship? The regime that you supported....

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You don't think that Mubarak was a dictator?
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 09:58:15 AM »

yes he was a dictator, but I didn't support him, and your claim that I did makes you a dishonest hack
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 10:01:50 AM »

I wonder what percentage of Americans would deem it 'very important' that Muslims can exercise their religion as they wish or that US laws would be in the spirit of the Bible.
dude, stop being a joke member of this forum.  

freedom of religion is the cornerstone of this country, for without it, there is no freedom of speech or press.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

you obviously know nothing about the establishment of this country or why religious people made the trip across the Atlantic.



No, no. You're the one who has proven time and again to have absolutely no clue about what happens in the Middle East and about how to rerad the situation. I'm not saying I'm an expert on these things, but your incapability to distinguish between the MB, Hamas and the Iran government is painfull to read at times. You really think more than 1/3 of Alabamans or Oklahomans would answer that they deem it 'very important' that Muslims have the freedom to exercise their religion? This is the same world the whole 'Ground Zero Mosque' thing was an actual issue in.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 10:03:45 AM »

yes he was a dictator, but I didn't support him

Didn't you? The situation in Egypt earlier this year was very much an either/or situation; you were opposed to what happened, thus you supported Mubarak. Of course I don't pay much attention to your posts (not only are your opinions typically worth very little, but you're a terrible writer) so perhaps you were trying to have your cake and eat it or something similarly dishonest.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2011, 10:21:49 AM »

No, no. You're the one who has proven time and again to have absolutely no clue about what happens in the Middle East and about how to rerad the situation. I'm not saying I'm an expert on these things, but your incapability to distinguish between the MB, Hamas and the Iran government is painfull to read at times.

have I, at any time, ever confused MB, Hamas, or Iran?  And if I have no clue, how can I always correctly predict their actions of each of these groups?! 

The MB was established for the central purpose of being about Sharia Law, it’s no secret for it is explicitly stated within its founding principles.

Hamas was established to destroy Israel and liberate ALL of Palestine, it’s no secret, they clearly admit it.

The Islamic government of Iran wants the destruction of Israel and to bring the whole world under Islamic rule.  It’s no secret, they clearly admit it.

The problem with people like you is that you think they’re joking.  They’re not.

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You really think more than 1/3 of Alabamans or Oklahomans would answer that they deem it 'very important' that Muslims have the freedom to exercise their religion?

Would those 1/3 of Alabamans or Oklahomans be representative of the US as a whole?  And are Muslims not allowed to practice their religion in AL or OK?  Then what is the point of this hack question?

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This is the same world the whole 'Ground Zero Mosque' thing was an actual issue in.
No one had a issue with them building a mosque, rather people simply didn’t want  it  build in the shadow of the WTC because the history of Islam is to build a mosque on territory captured by Muslims, along the same lines as the US raising a flog over Iwo Jima.

But in Egypt, these people don’t think Christianity has a fundamental right to be practiced ANYWHERE within the country of Egypt...so again, you're not comparing apples to oranges.

Why don’t you simply have the decency to DENOUNCE tyranny, regardless if it comes from a mob in OK, AL, or Egypt?!
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2011, 10:25:37 AM »

yes he was a dictator, but I didn't support him
Didn't you? The situation in Egypt earlier this year was very much an either/or situation; you were opposed to what happened, thus you supported Mubarak. Of course I don't pay much attention to your posts (not only are your opinions typically worth very little, but you're a terrible writer) so perhaps you were trying to have your cake and eat it or something similarly dishonest.

how does such a hack like you become a moderator of this forum?  I never supported Mubarak and I always stated he was a mass murderer.  But just because I oppose him, that doesn't mean I am going to support a mob that wants to take away the freedom of religion.  In fact, I wish both Mubarak and the little religious tyrants within the mob would simply drop dead.
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2011, 10:28:47 AM »

I am denouncing Tyranny. That's why I'm supportive of the heroic movement that realized probably the greatest advance for democracy since 1989. Your continuous repeating of misinformation of the Imperialist noise-machine suggests you're the one who's got issues with democracy.
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2011, 10:41:19 AM »

yes he was a dictator, but I didn't support him

Didn't you? The situation in Egypt earlier this year was very much an either/or situation;

I missed this tidbit….

When two forms or tyranny are fighting it out, it is NEVER an either/or situation, for there is always a third chose to side with: it’s called FREEDOM.

Obama simply should have taken the microphone and made it clear that “The United States supports FREEDOM, and rejects the tyranny of Mubarak and the tyranny of a state religion wanted by majority of Egyptians.  And we will not support any group that doesn’t support basic human rights, which includes the freedom of religion, for all its people.  Period.”
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2011, 10:43:29 AM »

I am denouncing Tyranny. That's why I'm supportive of the heroic movement that realized probably the greatest advance for democracy since 1989. Your continuous repeating of misinformation of the Imperialist noise-machine suggests you're the one who's got issues with democracy.

what is democracy if the majority takes away the freedom of thought?  democracy then simply becomes another form of tyranny.
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2011, 10:44:23 AM »

how does such a hack like you become a moderator of this forum?

Being called a hack by you is a little like being called sleazy by Bill Clinton; it might well be true, but Lord do you lack self-awareness.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You support happiness, peace, rainbows and fluffy bunnies, and are opposed to badness, slaughter, sleet and overpriced rail tickets. Fine.
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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2011, 10:50:09 AM »

how does such a hack like you become a moderator of this forum?

Being called a hack by you is a little like being called sleazy by Bill Clinton; it might well be true, but Lord do you lack self-awareness.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You support happiness, peace, rainbows and fluffy bunnies, and are opposed to badness, slaughter, sleet and overpriced rail tickets. Fine.
have I ever complained about sleet or the price of rail tickets?
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2011, 10:53:23 AM »

I am denouncing Tyranny. That's why I'm supportive of the heroic movement that realized probably the greatest advance for democracy since 1989. Your continuous repeating of misinformation of the Imperialist noise-machine suggests you're the one who's got issues with democracy.

and, BTW, that "greatest advance for democracy since 1989" not only wants to invoke Sharia law, it also wants a religious war with Israel.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2011, 10:55:09 AM »

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You support happiness, peace, rainbows and fluffy bunnies, and are opposed to badness, slaughter, sleet and overpriced rail tickets. Fine.

have I ever complained about sleet or the price of rail tickets?

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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2011, 11:02:04 AM »

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You support happiness, peace, rainbows and fluffy bunnies, and are opposed to badness, slaughter, sleet and overpriced rail tickets. Fine.

have I ever complained about sleet or the price of rail tickets?


oh, I got it. but since he is willing to support tyranny and bloodshed as long as it is wrapped in the cloak of democracy, i didn't have much material to work with.
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2011, 11:41:32 AM »

I wonder what percentage of Americans would deem it 'very important' that Muslims can exercise their religion as they wish or that US laws would be in the spirit of the Bible. But then again, all Muslims support Al-Qaeda and hate America and aren't worthy of any compassion we may feel for them. As long as our puppet dictators keep thm down and out of our sight, everything is okay in the Middle East Smiley

In the U.S. it would greatly depend on how you phrased the question. Probably 90% + support "freedom of religion," 75% or so would support "allowing religious minorities to practice their religion as they wish," and around 25% would deem it "very important" that "Muslims can exercise religion as they wish."

Over 60% would wish that U.S. laws be "in the spirit of the Bible or not contradictory to it."
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2011, 12:11:32 PM »

I wonder what percentage of Americans would deem it 'very important' that Muslims can exercise their religion as they wish or that US laws would be in the spirit of the Bible. But then again, all Muslims support Al-Qaeda and hate America and aren't worthy of any compassion we may feel for them. As long as our puppet dictators keep thm down and out of our sight, everything is okay in the Middle East Smiley

In the U.S. it would greatly depend on how you phrased the question. Probably 90% + support "freedom of religion," 75% or so would support "allowing religious minorities to practice their religion as they wish," and around 25% would deem it "very important" that "Muslims can exercise religion as they wish."

Over 60% would wish that U.S. laws be "in the spirit of the Bible or not contradictory to it."

I’m afraid you’ve been bitten by this hack.  The article stated:

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For that to be reflected in an opinion poll in America, then you would need 62% of Americans believe their laws should STRICTLY follow the teachings of the bible, thus meaning sexual immorality like adultery, fornication, and homosexuality would be criminalized.  Obviously the vast majority of Americans don’t want this.

That’s totally different than saying that U.S. laws be "in the spirit of the Bible or not contradictory to it"...which is basically already the case

And I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t believe Muslims have the right to build a mosque and practice their religion and spread their believes by peaceful means….so I have NO IDEA how you can say that only  “around 25% would deem it ‘very important’ that "Muslims can exercise religion as they wish.”
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2011, 12:41:56 PM »

It’s amazing how many BS hoops you all will jump through simply to support democracy at any cost as if democracy itself was the final goal, INSTEAD of supporting democracy as usually the best means to secure LIBERTY for all, with FREEDOM being the final goal.


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”

If the “governed” – the people - don’t believe that the freedom of religion is an unalienable right, then democracy will NOT result in securing these rights.  

And if "ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT becomes destructive to these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

In other words, ANY form of government, democracy or otherwise, not dedicated to these rights, should be abolished!!!

Duh!

This concludes review of Democracy 101, which all you hacks apparently FAILED!

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2011, 01:03:27 PM »

How's the Taliban takeover of Pakistan working out, the one whose imminence was the subject of a thread a day during their Swat Valley advance?
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2011, 01:17:14 PM »
« Edited: April 26, 2011, 01:19:55 PM by jmfcst »

How's the Taliban takeover of Pakistan working out, the one whose imminence was the subject of a thread a day during their Swat Valley advance?

My prediction, stated just before the US 2008 election, was by the end of this president's term.  and if you haven't been keeping up with the news, the lines are continuing to blur between the Taliban and the Paki government.

Of course, the US blanket approval of a takeover of Egypt by a mob who wants to institute Sharia Law and declare war on Israel is something even I didn't see on the horizon.

so I would say events are spiralling out of control a lot faster than I thought they would.
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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2011, 02:15:27 PM »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/apr/26/cairo-exit-hesham-issawi-egypt

The Islamo-fascist mob is coming!!!!!
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