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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2014, 03:39:28 pm »
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Being the opposite end of the average Klansmen (today where they practically a joke obviously) or Westboro does not a good person make.

Fighting misogyny by becoming a misandrist, racism with some more racism, anti-secularism with anti-theism (but especially anti-Christianity) is not something more enlightened, and ultimately a distraction from actual social justice.

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2014, 04:38:34 pm »
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Being the opposite end of the average Klansmen (today where they practically a joke obviously) or Westboro does not a good person make.

Fighting misogyny by becoming a misandrist, racism with some more racism, anti-secularism with anti-theism (but especially anti-Christianity) is not something more enlightened, and ultimately a distraction from actual social justice.

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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2014, 05:49:17 pm »
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@R2: Well that beats being on a new level of "beyond really f^%&in' stupid". Coming from someone who hates the state that begat the Free Speech Movement in the first place, I'll take that as a compliment.
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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2014, 10:15:14 pm »
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I thought the gifs were more powerful than the video actually. For one she's not a great public speaker (which is completely fine, seeing as how she's just some poor girl who escaped from hell and not someone who normally does this, and it's obvious why she'd have a hard time talking about how such horrifying and traumatic events), and can be difficult to understand, but the gifs not only make it very clear, the text doesn't go away. So the realization of what's being stated is always there and quite clear.

Also much better at grabbing attention and getting people to watch the video. A Tumblr blog with "Watch this video of a defector from North Korea speaking" won't get as many views as one where you read those gifs first and realize exactly what she's talking about.
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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2014, 10:32:28 pm »
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I thought the gifs were more powerful than the video actually. For one she's not a great public speaker (which is completely fine, seeing as how she's just some poor girl who escaped from hell and not someone who normally does this, and it's obvious why she'd have a hard time talking about how such horrifying and traumatic events), and can be difficult to understand, but the gifs not only make it very clear, the text doesn't go away. So the realization of what's being stated is always there and quite clear.

Also much better at grabbing attention and getting people to watch the video. A Tumblr blog with "Watch this video of a defector from North Korea speaking" won't get as many views as one where you read those gifs first and realize exactly what she's talking about.

Maybe we shouldn't be spoonfed information like that?
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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2014, 11:34:59 pm »
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SOMEONE SAID MISANDRY

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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2014, 12:22:42 am »
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Being the opposite end of the average Klansmen (today where they practically a joke obviously) or Westboro does not a good person make.

Fighting misogyny by becoming a misandrist, racism with some more racism, anti-secularism with anti-theism (but especially anti-Christianity) is not something more enlightened, and ultimately a distraction from actual social justice.

My god you are a whole new level of stupid.

His username is "MormDem", what do you expect?
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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2014, 06:11:39 am »
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@R2: Well that beats being on a new level of "beyond really f^%&in' stupid". Coming from someone who hates the state that begat the Free Speech Movement in the first place, I'll take that as a compliment.

Don't detract from the point. You really think there is a large portion of the social justice movement that legitimately hates men? That legitimately hates religion? Come on man. And don't even compare those types of people to the Klan. Having extreme viewpoints that conflict with yours =/= being a member of the Klan.
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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2014, 06:33:47 am »
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Are tumblr "social justice warriors" even anti-religion? I don't think I've ever seen them talk about religion, and certainly never seen them bash it, while new atheist fedora types are one of the main targets for mockery.
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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2014, 06:53:16 am »
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MormDem hates these blogs for the exact wrong reason.
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« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2014, 11:10:51 am »
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Are tumblr "social justice warriors" even anti-religion? I don't think I've ever seen them talk about religion, and certainly never seen them bash it, while new atheist fedora types are one of the main targets for mockery.

It's rarely talked about, because religion is not considered an immediate social plague. Inequalities pose more of an issue first and foremost. But a lot of SJWs are either atheist or agnostic.
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« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2014, 12:14:13 pm »
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I am glad they exist but have no intention of ever really looking for them myself.  They serve as an obvious disproof of the silly talking point that feminists et al. are "prudes" or whatever, and for that purpose if nothing else their existence is a positive thing.

As regards SJWs in general: the culture does have some issues, namely the sort of circular firing squad posture which tends to plague all sorts of left movements, and a sort of allergy to certain modes of reflection and self-criticism which actually has entirely understandable roots but leads to haywire outcomes.  In particular I'm thinking of the overuse of "concern trolling" accusations here, which stems from a very real tactic that trolls use, but leads to, shall we say, some counterproductive antibody production.  With that in mind, I wouldn't describe myself as one normally.

The "slacktivism" charge is, perhaps, technically accurate but deeply unfair- not everyone has time or the means to be on the front lines of in-person organizing or whatever, especially if you're poor or a minor or whatever. 

However, the substance of the criticisms they get from most quarters, even here, is pretty much strawman nonsense.  Not to pick on MormDem and RI, but:

Fighting misogyny by becoming a misandrist, racism with some more racism, anti-secularism with anti-theism (but especially anti-Christianity) is not something more enlightened, and ultimately a distraction from actual social justice.

As pointed out plenty times already, "misandry" is not a real thing that happens, even among the more strident and less-reflective SJWs; neither does "anti-theism" (certainly not in the fedora sense!); the charge of reverse racism can't be dispatched in one sentence but is pretty tendentious as well and– I would argue– rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is and how it interacts with power.

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Yeah, that article isn't remotely SJW in the contemporary sense. SJWs don't care about class, and they certainly don't care about the plight of white men (like person #2 in the article) no matter their social circumstances (unless they're gay or some other "minority" and sometimes not even then).

It is very "social justice-y" in the slightly older sense of the word, though.

This is even more ridiculous- every SJWer I have ever encountered cares deeply about class, and would endorse this article wholeheartedly (yes including #2). I'm not even sure what you're trying to say with "the plight of white men" but I'm pretty damn sure that it's inaccurate at best.  I suspect you've trained your disgust on a caricature that by and large doesn't exist.
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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2014, 01:46:48 pm »
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As pointed out plenty times already, "misandry" is not a real thing that happens, even among the more strident and less-reflective SJWs; neither does "anti-theism" (certainly not in the fedora sense!); the charge of reverse racism can't be dispatched in one sentence but is pretty tendentious as well and– I would argue– rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is and how it interacts with power

"Reverse racism" is obviously a silly term and many accusations of "misandry" are just paranoia from MRAs with a bad persecution complex (a bit redundant, really Tongue), but I do hope you aren't swallowing the "privilege+power" thing uncritically--while definitely nothing compared to, say, state violence against African Americans, genuine hatred against whites, and especially white men (or at the very least a hatred of male sexuality), is commonplace. The neurotic reformism of privilege politics is both nearly religious (the treatment of privilege as some sort of original sin) and, due to its lack of material analysis or at best shoehorning a half-hearted material analysis into liberal academic platitudes, it ultimately fails to either fully explain the existing power structures or to offer greater solutions beyond the occasional crusade against a Hawaiian shirt or a few sexist trolls.
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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2014, 02:02:04 pm »
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As pointed out plenty times already, "misandry" is not a real thing that happens, even among the more strident and less-reflective SJWs; neither does "anti-theism" (certainly not in the fedora sense!); the charge of reverse racism can't be dispatched in one sentence but is pretty tendentious as well and– I would argue– rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is and how it interacts with power

"Reverse racism" is obviously a silly term and many accusations of "misandry" are just paranoia from MRAs with a bad persecution complex (a bit redundant, really Tongue), but I do hope you aren't swallowing the "privilege+power" thing uncritically--while definitely nothing compared to, say, state violence against African Americans, genuine hatred against whites, and especially white men (or at the very least a hatred of male sexuality), is commonplace. The neurotic reformism of privilege politics is both nearly religious (the treatment of privilege as some sort of original sin) and, due to its lack of material analysis or at best shoehorning a half-hearted material analysis into liberal academic platitudes, it ultimately fails to either fully explain the existing power structures or to offer greater solutions beyond the occasional crusade against a Hawaiian shirt or a few sexist trolls.

I don't know that there's anything I'm willing to swallow uncritically; if anything my approach to things suffers from an excess of navel-gazing and self-doubt and that of course applies to this issue as well as others.

As for the rest of it... well, let's just say that I don't agree with your contention that "reformism" is a bad thing in the first place, and I'll take liberal academia over dialectical materialism anyday.  But you already knew that.
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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2014, 05:58:15 pm »
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« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2014, 06:24:16 pm »
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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2014, 07:14:44 pm »
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My responses here relate solely to SJW tumblr blogs not the movement, which contrary to Trains assessment are not just bad at self-reflective and slacktivist (though those parts are also true).

@Train: Not what I was going for, though some anti-white sentiment is there too (internalized and from others). Actually I was going for that generally there are still other prejudices let out and treated as acceptable by not being the norm.

Also it's just not charitable to assume ignorance or malice and not try to entertain that I could've come to my conclusion as I did because of my understanding of these things.

@Deadflag: Ad hominem is not good discourse.

@Snow: That's because the term is hardly used by anyone else because no one besides the obnoxious pillites and the very quiet,moderate Men Rights sites (think the Good Men Project) really know of it and the pillities genuinely abuse it to death.

@R2: Well yeah, what do you expect when you shelter and don't weed out Rad-fems and TERFS that are reactionary to the frustration of the still pervasive gender roles and indeed very slow progress of mainstream feminism?

The comparison is apt, given that both SJWs and the Klan are sunken fringes that aren't really talked about much, it's not one of those useless Nazi comparisons that are abused.

@Maddy: How is hating extremist hatred "the wrong reasons"?

And given all the Human Right's Centers I used to work with now and then, and other social pursuits, it saddens me very much to be forced to call them horrible.


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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2014, 07:21:38 pm »
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@R2: Well yeah, what do you expect when you shelter and don't weed out Rad-fems and TERFS that are reactionary to the frustration of the still pervasive gender roles and indeed very slow progress of mainstream feminism?

The comparison is apt, given that both SJWs and the Klan are sunken fringes that aren't really talked about much, it's not one of those useless Nazi comparisons that are abused.

You seem to think that "Rad-fems" are a notable portion of the feminist movement. Let me give you a hint: they're not. "Rad-fems" probably make up between 1 and 5% of those who identify as a feminist nowadays. When Beyonce made it clear that she is a feminist, she was attacked because people still make the connection between feminism and hatred of men. It doesn't exist in large numbers. Is it unfortunate that it exists at all? Yes. But it's also unfortunate that there are black people who genuinely want to execute all white people, yet that shouldn't detract from the plight of black equality.  The focus should not be on the most radical members of the group, but rather on those who are level-headed and want to make a difference that positively impacts everyone.

And the comparison is not apt. Even if these so called "rad-fems" hate men, they're hardly going out and publicly lynching them for it. Anyone can be compared to the Klan in terms of being a fringe group. Hell, at its earliest incarnation, a comparison between the Tea Party and the Klan could have been made by that logic. But the fact is that you can't just compare people to the freaking Klan because they're a fringe group, because that's not the message you're sending.
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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2014, 07:59:58 pm »
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It's rarely talked about, because religion is not considered an immediate social plague. Inequalities pose more of an issue first and foremost. But a lot of SJWs are either atheist or agnostic.

Yeah, this is basically what I thought. It definitely seems like a bizarre attack to level at "SJWs" (not to say that his other attacks aren't wrong etc - but they don't completely come out of left field).

Anyway, I think there's a fundamental difference between people on tumblr complaining about men or white people and actual racists and misogynists, in that when people on tumblr say those things its generally an expression of frustration at oppression and disadvantage, which doesn't cause men or white people actual problems in the real world, while power structures continue to support racist and sexist attitudes, and racism and misogyny translate into real violence against women, black people, gay people etc. in the real world.

(That's not to say that I don't have some problems with "SJW" politics. I think traininthedistance said it well).
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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2014, 08:29:48 pm »
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@Maddy: How is hating extremist hatred "the wrong reasons"?

Because it's not extremist hatred in any genuinely dangerous sense. It's a false equivalency based on a misunderstanding of or decision to ignore power imbalances. It's like saying that because Miles Davis expressed a generalized distrust of white people he was as bad as Bull Connor. As I understand it the 'right' reason to hate 'SJW and porn' blogs is the second part, not the first part.

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« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2014, 09:25:11 pm »
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@R2: I was basing my comparison off what the media shows of the post David Duke election KKK, aka an entire joke that can't do anything...but if they are still quietly lynching, then I take that back because I am aware of scale...that's why I didn't go to a GodwinsLaw or compare it with another supremacist group.

And yes, I'm aware rad-fems are a minority and vocal, but because of the latter, it seems tumblr gets the worst from it.



@Bea and Maddy: You're both using the appealing to worse problems fallacy. Never am I equating wrongs.

Yes of course misogynistic acts and racially charged beatings and murders are worse...but that doesn't mean we should just count off blogs when they cross the line into hate-speech or put up videos of cheating men being castrated just because it's no lynching or beat-up or vandalism.

That's like counting off the insanity of Richard Nixon because all he did was commit Watergate and sabotage peace talks and calling him okay just because Jackson did the "Trail of Tears" genocide.

Yes it isn't in as dangerous a sense now, and hopefully if checked won't become dangerous, but it's still extremism and still terrible, and if unchecked could become equivalent...and that's why I voted as I did.

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As pointed out plenty times already, "misandry" is not a real thing that happens, even among the more strident and less-reflective SJWs; neither does "anti-theism" (certainly not in the fedora sense!); the charge of reverse racism can't be dispatched in one sentence but is pretty tendentious as well and– I would argue– rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is and how it interacts with power

"Reverse racism" is obviously a silly term and many accusations of "misandry" are just paranoia from MRAs with a bad persecution complex (a bit redundant, really Tongue), but I do hope you aren't swallowing the "privilege+power" thing uncritically--while definitely nothing compared to, say, state violence against African Americans, genuine hatred against whites, and especially white men (or at the very least a hatred of male sexuality), is commonplace. The neurotic reformism of privilege politics is both nearly religious (the treatment of privilege as some sort of original sin) and, due to its lack of material analysis or at best shoehorning a half-hearted material analysis into liberal academic platitudes, it ultimately fails to either fully explain the existing power structures or to offer greater solutions beyond the occasional crusade against a Hawaiian shirt or a few sexist trolls.

I don't know that there's anything I'm willing to swallow uncritically; if anything my approach to things suffers from an excess of navel-gazing and self-doubt and that of course applies to this issue as well as others.

As for the rest of it... well, let's just say that I don't agree with your contention that "reformism" is a bad thing in the first place, and I'll take liberal academia over dialectical materialism anyday.  But you already knew that.

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