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« Reply #450 on: April 27, 2012, 08:19:06 am »
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I don't know how anyone who calls themselves center left could reasonably prefer Ken, even in the 2nd round. He is as left wing as you can get before you fall off the democratic part of the political spectrum.

Indeed. Wow....as I'm typing this, the results of the Tory leadership election are in....Thatcher - 204, Heseltine - 152....not enough for Thatcher to win outright!
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« Reply #451 on: April 27, 2012, 09:15:38 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Maintaining a civilized society where everybody is treated equally?

Seriously, this is one of the most reactionary posts I've ever read. And coming from Gustaf that says a lot.

Because I'm obviously so reactionary...px has that very sad quality of always trying to be a smartass without grasping what the discussion is actually about. Well, it's more amusing than sad I guess.
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« Reply #452 on: April 27, 2012, 10:17:29 am »
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QFT and "ohh snap"

px has that very sad quality of always trying to be a smartass without grasping what the discussion is actually about.
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And let's be honest, Obama could take a selfie of his junk in the bathroom mirror with his BlackBerry, have it transferred to canvas and you'd have people saying it ought to be hung in the National Gallery.

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« Reply #453 on: April 27, 2012, 11:47:58 am »
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Why do so many of the young 'uns here write as though they're writing speeches for the telly?

Because it has been given thought and really deserves to be fully explained, which can only be done with proper vocabulary and syntax?

By which you mean 'turgid prose', presumably? I nearly fell asleep halfway through the second paragraph.
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And let's be honest, Obama could take a selfie of his junk in the bathroom mirror with his BlackBerry, have it transferred to canvas and you'd have people saying it ought to be hung in the National Gallery.

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« Reply #454 on: April 27, 2012, 11:49:18 am »
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Why do so many of the young 'uns here write as though they're writing speeches for the telly?

Because they think people actually care about the crap they write.
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And let's be honest, Obama could take a selfie of his junk in the bathroom mirror with his BlackBerry, have it transferred to canvas and you'd have people saying it ought to be hung in the National Gallery.

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« Reply #455 on: April 27, 2012, 11:49:48 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Maintaining a civilized society where everybody is treated equally?

Seriously, this is one of the most reactionary posts I've ever read. And coming from Gustaf that says a lot.

Because I'm obviously so reactionary...px has that very sad quality of always trying to be a smartass without grasping what the discussion is actually about. Well, it's more amusing than sad I guess.

You're not reactionary, but your comment clearly was.
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« Reply #456 on: April 27, 2012, 03:55:41 pm »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Maintaining a civilized society where everybody is treated equally?

Seriously, this is one of the most reactionary posts I've ever read. And coming from Gustaf that says a lot.

Because I'm obviously so reactionary...px has that very sad quality of always trying to be a smartass without grasping what the discussion is actually about. Well, it's more amusing than sad I guess.

You're not reactionary, but your comment clearly was.

I'll be gracious and assume you've read the same philosophical dissertations on this subject that I have and will soon post your reasons for disagreeing with them then.

The only alternative would be that you're an arrogant teenager with a lot less knowledge than you think and a lack of awareness of that situation.
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« Reply #457 on: April 27, 2012, 04:15:15 pm »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Maintaining a civilized society where everybody is treated equally?

Seriously, this is one of the most reactionary posts I've ever read. And coming from Gustaf that says a lot.

Because I'm obviously so reactionary...px has that very sad quality of always trying to be a smartass without grasping what the discussion is actually about. Well, it's more amusing than sad I guess.

You're not reactionary, but your comment clearly was.

I'll be gracious and assume you've read the same philosophical dissertations on this subject that I have and will soon post your reasons for disagreeing with them then.

The only alternative would be that you're an arrogant teenager with a lot less knowledge than you think and a lack of awareness of that situation.

Did the word "deterrence" every come up in all of this collateral damage cross talk?  Just asking.
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« Reply #458 on: April 27, 2012, 04:23:18 pm »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Maintaining a civilized society where everybody is treated equally?

Seriously, this is one of the most reactionary posts I've ever read. And coming from Gustaf that says a lot.

Because I'm obviously so reactionary...px has that very sad quality of always trying to be a smartass without grasping what the discussion is actually about. Well, it's more amusing than sad I guess.

You're not reactionary, but your comment clearly was.

I'll be gracious and assume you've read the same philosophical dissertations on this subject that I have and will soon post your reasons for disagreeing with them then.

The only alternative would be that you're an arrogant teenager with a lot less knowledge than you think and a lack of awareness of that situation.

Do you have a point apart from the usual ad hominems ?

The idea that justice is only a veiled vengeance ? Yeah, I think one can reasonably deem it reactionary even without having read all the philosophical essays on the issue.
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« Reply #459 on: April 27, 2012, 04:26:50 pm »
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Make no mistake Antonio. Gustaf IS reactionary.
Heck, he even defended Palin when she made one of her usual inane statements that even Republicans didn't bother to pretend that made sense.
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« Reply #460 on: April 27, 2012, 04:35:49 pm »
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Actually the view that 'justice' ultimately translates as 'vengeance' is not necessarily a right-wing view, let alone a 'reactionary' one.
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« Reply #461 on: April 28, 2012, 12:08:24 am »
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Im not going to release a "schedule" of "campaign stops" because I'd just be saying I was there from the comfort of my living room where I usually use the computer... I think there is enough bullsh**t on this board and me saying I will stop in every town in the country when my fat ass will be staying right here on my La-Z-Boy won't do any thing to get me votes

Also- ask me anything
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« Reply #462 on: April 28, 2012, 09:45:55 am »
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An Atlasia post in the FC board?! Call the priest!
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« Reply #463 on: April 28, 2012, 01:26:54 pm »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Maintaining a civilized society where everybody is treated equally?

Seriously, this is one of the most reactionary posts I've ever read. And coming from Gustaf that says a lot.

Because I'm obviously so reactionary...px has that very sad quality of always trying to be a smartass without grasping what the discussion is actually about. Well, it's more amusing than sad I guess.

You're not reactionary, but your comment clearly was.

I'll be gracious and assume you've read the same philosophical dissertations on this subject that I have and will soon post your reasons for disagreeing with them then.

The only alternative would be that you're an arrogant teenager with a lot less knowledge than you think and a lack of awareness of that situation.

Do you have a point apart from the usual ad hominems ?

The idea that justice is only a veiled vengeance ? Yeah, I think one can reasonably deem it reactionary even without having read all the philosophical essays on the issue.

My point was to give you a chance to show that you weren't just being arrogant about something you didn't really know anything about. A pity you didn't take it.

I apologize to px for being less of a hack than he is.

Now, if the two of you are done with ad hominems it'd be greatly amusing to see you struggle with actually trying to prove your case. I'm defending the actual existing justice system and making a point about what is its guiding principle. It can't be reactionary since I'm not arguing for a return to any past system.
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« Reply #464 on: April 28, 2012, 05:37:19 pm »
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Why do so many of the young 'uns here write as though they're writing speeches for the telly?

Because they think people actually care about the crap they write.

I wonder if Sam thinks people care about the crap he writes.
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« Reply #465 on: April 28, 2012, 05:56:11 pm »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Maintaining a civilized society where everybody is treated equally?

Seriously, this is one of the most reactionary posts I've ever read. And coming from Gustaf that says a lot.

Because I'm obviously so reactionary...px has that very sad quality of always trying to be a smartass without grasping what the discussion is actually about. Well, it's more amusing than sad I guess.

You're not reactionary, but your comment clearly was.

I'll be gracious and assume you've read the same philosophical dissertations on this subject that I have and will soon post your reasons for disagreeing with them then.

The only alternative would be that you're an arrogant teenager with a lot less knowledge than you think and a lack of awareness of that situation.

Do you have a point apart from the usual ad hominems ?

The idea that justice is only a veiled vengeance ? Yeah, I think one can reasonably deem it reactionary even without having read all the philosophical essays on the issue.

My point was to give you a chance to show that you weren't just being arrogant about something you didn't really know anything about. A pity you didn't take it.

I apologize to px for being less of a hack than he is.

Now, if the two of you are done with ad hominems it'd be greatly amusing to see you struggle with actually trying to prove your case. I'm defending the actual existing justice system and making a point about what is its guiding principle. It can't be reactionary since I'm not arguing for a return to any past system.

I believe it is habitual to clearly state one's case before inviting the opposition to launch a counter-attack.
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« Reply #466 on: April 29, 2012, 01:05:32 am »
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Why do so many of the young 'uns here write as though they're writing speeches for the telly?

Because they think people actually care about the crap they write.

I wonder if Sam thinks people care about the crap he writes.

I'd be surprised if he does.
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« Reply #467 on: April 29, 2012, 03:02:49 am »
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Wait, are people here claiming that vengeance is not a valid foundation of the justice system? I would argue it is the only sensible (and, yes, rational foundation).

What else would be the purpose of the justice system?

Maintaining a civilized society where everybody is treated equally?

Seriously, this is one of the most reactionary posts I've ever read. And coming from Gustaf that says a lot.

Because I'm obviously so reactionary...px has that very sad quality of always trying to be a smartass without grasping what the discussion is actually about. Well, it's more amusing than sad I guess.

You're not reactionary, but your comment clearly was.

I'll be gracious and assume you've read the same philosophical dissertations on this subject that I have and will soon post your reasons for disagreeing with them then.

The only alternative would be that you're an arrogant teenager with a lot less knowledge than you think and a lack of awareness of that situation.

Do you have a point apart from the usual ad hominems ?

The idea that justice is only a veiled vengeance ? Yeah, I think one can reasonably deem it reactionary even without having read all the philosophical essays on the issue.

My point was to give you a chance to show that you weren't just being arrogant about something you didn't really know anything about. A pity you didn't take it.

I apologize to px for being less of a hack than he is.

Now, if the two of you are done with ad hominems it'd be greatly amusing to see you struggle with actually trying to prove your case. I'm defending the actual existing justice system and making a point about what is its guiding principle. It can't be reactionary since I'm not arguing for a return to any past system.

I believe it is habitual to clearly state one's case before inviting the opposition to launch a counter-attack.

I'm not sure what your point is? If you mean that I should in this exchange have clearly stated my case earlier on, I think you miss my point. Antonio and Px jumped on a chance to try and ridicule me. I have had this discussion many times before so I know roughly what they are thinking and why they are wrong. I suspect the same is not true of them, since if it was they couldn't be so disdainful of a position that is quite strong on the merits.

And it always amuses me when someone is so conceited in their position so as to make fun of someone for disagreeing with them when it soon becomes obvious they are completely ignorant of the debate on the issue.

Besides, I don't think I have to respect any decorums of debate with people like them, especially given their behaviour in this instance. You may think of it as retributivist justice - I'll give them the respect they deserve, which right now is not very much.
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« Reply #468 on: April 29, 2012, 07:30:25 pm »
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You three need to either shut up or take it elswhere.
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« Reply #469 on: April 30, 2012, 01:40:06 am »
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You three need to either shut up or take it elswhere.

No, there isn't really any need to respect this thread since it's mostly a stupid phenomenon to begin with.

I think all of my detractors seem to have gone silent anyway - turns out they had nothing, beyond quoting my posts into this thread, to back up their position with. So I don't think you need to worry. You will all be able to continue to post here instead of actually arguing your positions.
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« Reply #470 on: April 30, 2012, 01:58:39 am »
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Somebody's taking the Sulfur Mine waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously, methinks.  And confusing it with the Deluge as well!
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« Reply #471 on: April 30, 2012, 07:53:34 am »
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Somebody's taking the Sulfur Mine waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously, methinks.  And confusing it with the Deluge as well!

I'm not confusing it with the Deluge, though it's true that the Deluge is even worse.

I'm not sure how I'm taking it any more or less seriously than anyone takes anything around here. It's not as if I care particularly about Antonio and Px not understanding the concept of retributivist justice.
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« Reply #472 on: April 30, 2012, 07:55:43 am »
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« Reply #473 on: May 01, 2012, 01:41:52 pm »
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Superpacs are not donations to any re-election campaign.

And BitTorrent is for legal downloads only...
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« Reply #474 on: May 02, 2012, 03:56:43 pm »
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Seems like you have a big problem with the history of the state.

Seems like you have a big problem with not acting like a todger in every debate you get into.
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