The Al Realpolitik Institute of Sulfur Mining & Extraction

[DC Al Fine]

Good riddance. Groups like these have been giving conservative Christians a bad name and misleading homosexuals and their families. Telling someone to maintain a life of celibacy is far easier than what they are trying to do.

Yes, it's easy to "tell someone to maintain a life of celibacy”, but let's not pretend that's a good thing.

Most people here don't know any other way.

[DC Al Fine]

But banning [yellow-dog contracts] violates the right to freely contract that you said was constitutionally protected.

No it doesn't.

I see you are thinking of doing some community theatre.  Are you merely auditioning for the part of Humpty Dumpty or have you already secured the part in a stage adaptation of Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass?  In either case, there is no need to engage in method acting here.  Save acting like a contradictory buffoon who won't admit he is in error for the stage where such a performance will be admired instead of ridiculed.

There are perfectly valid and logical reasons to hold the opinions you have of the desirability of not allowing right-to-work laws or yellow-dog contracts.  I don't agree with them, but at least they are logically coherent and honest which I cannot say for your line of non-reasoning.
“When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more, nor less.”  -- Humpty Dumpty in Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There by Lewis Carroll

[DC Al Fine]

Europe already went through that.

Before, more you were educated, more you were right-wing.
In the recent years, it took a smile shape. Very uneducated and very educated people voted for the left, the averagely educated to the right.
And now, it's becoming more you are education, more you're left-wing, more or less.

Different factors must be factored too: race, religion, income, unions...

Being well educated in Europe before 1945 implied that one was almost certainly part of the Establishment. High levels of education were the norm only for entrenched elites, and working people (who were generally socialists except under fascist regimes) were usually thrown to the wolves in the economic order, often at an early age.  After WWII entrenched economic elites became less powerful if they were allowed to remain (a distinction between Romania and Italy), and as a rule post-WWII governments encouraged advanced education for anyone who could benefit from it. If there was an Einstein or Freud whose parents were industrial workers the educational system might find him and give him a chance -- especially after the people who gave the world Einstein and Freud were largely exterminated.

In the US  much the same process happened in the early 1960s, when high-grade universities quit using class identity as a criterion for acceptance or rejection. School board scores began to matter greatly and family connections (he is at the bottom of his prep-school class but a couple years at Ivy might do him some good) didn't matter so much. Why have someone like that at Ivy when you could have some middle-class Jewish or Italian-American kid from Brooklyn who takes learning seriously and has the grades and board scores? The results from such choices looked increasingly good, and they stayed in place. The kid who might use a couple years at Harvard ended up going to some 'alternative choice'.

The Republican Party used to have the advantage with educated people because the under-educated, bigoted white people of the South voted Democratic and often well-educated Northern moderate voters despised those people and identified with Eisenhower and Rockefeller. The Republican Party began to court those under-educated, often bigoted white voters hostile to highly-educated people and lost the well-educated Northern moderate voters to the Democratic Party.

The Republican party has been pandering to anti-intellectual white people; by such it lost the chance to pick up a rapidly-growing (and well-educated) Hispanic middle class that seemed set to drift increasingly into the Republican Party. But by disparaging formal education the Republican Party has lost many of the sorts of people who voted Republican at least until Dubya.

Just look at an overlay between elections involving Dwight Eisenhower and Barack Obama. In 2008 President Obama won 365 electoral votes -- all but 15 from states that Eisenhower lost. In 2012 Barack Obama didn't win any state that Dwight Eisenhower ever lost.      

      

This is a really good non-biased post that recognizes the northern affluent WASP "moderate" Republican class for the Civil Rights crusaders and open minded angels that they really are.  It's good that we have well informed non-hack posters like pbrower to set the record straight instead of someone coming on here and pointing out that those highly "educated" affluent Republicans often held bigoted paternalistic views towards non-protestant working class people of Irish, Italian, Polish, German, Jewish, (insert other non-"respectable" European ethnic group here) descent.
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[DC Al Fine]

Obama has been the least fascist of the three, I suppose.

Kinda ironic coming from you.

[DC Al Fine]

Not surprising. Religion is pox on humanity and a frequent shelter for hateful behavior.

If that's so, then what's your excuse for being such a consistently vile and hateful individual?

Damn I came here to post that

[DC Al Fine]

We already have a sarcastic thread making the exact same point. Why is this here?

Because some people JUST CAN'T SEEM TO GET A CLUE.

You seem to be one of those people.  But hey, maybe the GOP will win 85% of the white vote in 2024!!

First off, you seem to be pretty confident in predicting what people want.  I mean, you think a poster who is practically a socialist wants the GOP to win that much of the white vote?  Or any vote really?
There's this thing, I'm not sure if you heard of it, but this website uses it as a monkier.  It's something called "the Political Compass."  If you look at it under the name of a poster it will show you their economic and social ratings.  I'm almost a negative five on economics and I'm practically a godless heathen on my social score.

But of course, it's all a masquerade.  I'm really just a full on white nationalist racist tea bagger who wanks off to the thought of the GOP winning 70 Senate seats in 2014 and not someone who just wants people to be rational in their debating instead of assholish hacks who come in here and bash well meaning people who analyze elections.

[DC Al Fine]

What staggeringly offensive self-satisfied drivel.

Maybe in another 50 years we will be able to support a certain percentage of the population as pure lay-abouts

Oh, so we're aiming for full-employment, now, are we?

nope, but good job making up things!

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Something I'm guessing you know a lot about.

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Ah, yes, those jobs already taken up by state workers - I suppose they'll be out of a job too, and treat like scum to your sort as well.

Is anybodies job "cleaning up the highway"?  I assumed it was all done by people on "community service".  And the guy whose job it is to fix the pot holes is WAY behind and could clearly use any help they can get.  I suppose we could just hire some of the people on public assistance if that makes you happy (it won't).

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'Might even' - how generous. They all do, but are stuck in an economy which doesn't utilise them.  [/quote]Really?  Everybody has a useful skill?  Really?  I can't believe how stupid (insert whatever label you call yourself here...I know how you are your ilk are with labels) are.

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Yeah, or it might lead to less jobs around because companies and the state can rely on a reserve army of unemployed to do it without having to pay them. That's certainly what I found in my job - the store was critically understaffed, but could rely on a revolving door of unemployed (up to three at any given week, doing full-time work for two months) to fill the gap. The success rate of said workfare programme? 4%. [/quote]k.....

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Well, how about:
1) most have been paying taxes for social insurances for this very occasion, so they have already been 'giving back'[/quote]cite?

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If you can show me where I said "make them work for free" that be great....impossible, but great.


Look, we get it.  You're a bitter asshole that doesn't understand your political opponents.  It's ok really.  It's a common disease.
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[DC Al Fine]

Hey, folks,

I just wanted to ask for your prayers and thoughts, I am going to start a diet on Monday, May 21, 2007 at 12:00 am CDT.  Its going to be a weight watcher's diet using the points system.  It is long overdue.  Currently, I am 5'8 and weigh 250 lbs and I need to get down to between 145 and 165 to be at a healthy weight.  So, I've got a long way to go, but I can do it.

Currently, my life expectancy hovers around 60, which is only 35 years from now.  With these lifestyle changes, I can increase that to nearly 80, which is 55 years away.

The good thing is, I'm only 25 years and 1 month.  So, if I make the right changes now and keep with them, then I can still reverse a lot of the damage that I've already done.

What's he weigh now?

[DC Al Fine]

Bold prediction: This thread will not end well

Apparently the entire point of view expressed by myself (see the deleted post above) and Lewis Trondheim is completely disallowed from the forum:

Simply that without a gullible, dick-led man in the relationship, a lesbian marriage is simply two con-artists trying to get the better of the other:  rather a dead end.

You make the faulty assumption that your poor experiences with women and inability to have normal relationships is due to some general failings of humanity and the world. But I'm afraid it's more to do with you.

See, in my experience women enjoy sex rather a lot. And don't try to rip you off. And I on my side don't want relationships just for the sex either.

It makes sense that you would get this idea if all your intimate interaction comes from prostitutes, but you need to realize that you are being extremely narrow-minded and naive.

[DC Al Fine]

No, in fact he should be given a medal.

I just realized I don't have you on ignore yet even though you're a shameless hedonist who hasn't made a single decent post since I joined in 2005.  Time to fix that.

[DC Al Fine]

Yes, you are the only one to acknowledge that. Watch Winter's Bone and then get back to us, Peeperkorn.

I'm not very interested in hipster stuff.

If I wanted to be a good hip I would say I love Mad Men and end of the story.

I said watch Winter's Bone, not watch Silver Linings Playbook. Not all Jennifer Lawrence movies are the same movie.

Or you could actually read a nonfiction book on the subject and develop your views on such a dangerous and ambiguous aspect of American life from there, but to each his own.

[DC Al Fine]

He's saying that all of the annoying Republicans from Virginia (You, Christie's stomach, shua) are starting to blend together and you might all be the same guy.

uh, okay Seatown

A D-WA NY avatar is the perfect person to be talking about other posters with similar avatars blending into one another, of course.

FTFY?

[DC Al Fine]

I'm not sure which is more bland: Phil's repeated use of the same joke over and over to try and get a quick zinger on me, or BRTD continuing to post aforementioned repeated "zingers" in the sulfur mine.

Carl, you kind of bring it on yourself. You bash libertarians with the fervour of a bitter apostate and it's pretty funny.

[DC Al Fine]

For something like this I'd recommend doing a little better than your usual posting style of 'pithy, absolute pronouncements with no argument to back them up', Peeperkorn.

[DC Al Fine]

So my dad pissed away a ton of money on a sports car to satiate his midlife crisis and now our family's going through bankruptcy for it. How does that negate my point?

I'm sorry for your family's unfortunate situation, but why should those who didn't piss away their money have their earnings redistributed? Granted, your situation is one in a million, and many people are legitimately hurting, but you really shouldn't try to be the spokesperson for Marxism on Atlas forums.

I have opinions and I state them. Nothing wrong with that.

Opinions are generally formed by life experience. Is your Marxism trying to compensate for what I can now only assume is genetically passed stupidity?

[DC Al Fine]

Do they wave their hands there? Ugh.

I will take a liturgical Protestant service over that stuff any day of the week. It's much more pleasing to the eye and ear.

[DC Al Fine]

Do they wave their hands there? Ugh.

I will take a liturgical Protestant service over that stuff any day of the week. It's much more pleasing to the eye and ear.

Yeah, handwaving is the worst.

You guys are so boring? Why do you hate snakes and big hats and hand waving and random cries of AMEN at inappropriate moments?

Because it isn't actually a church service.

Indeed, where is the word and table in such services?

[DC Al Fine]

Yes, the notion that routine genital mutilation of babies ought to be a crime is a bad joke. And in order to be free, the religious simply must cut off parts of babies' penises. Anything less would be tyranny. Un-Inksing-believable! Shall we bring back the castrati as well? Virgin sacrifice? Suttee? Divine rule of monarchs? As Nathan says, some must suffer to appease the religious.
If you want to alter your penis, I have no problem with that. It's yours, after all, and none of my business. All I'm asking if for other to leave alone the penises of babies. I don't think that's much to ask.

Not to interrupt your hysterical and frankly worrying straw-manning of the position on this--that it's the parents' business and that the benefit of the doubt in a society with freedom of religion should generally go to those who want to when possible avoid prosecuting aspects of religious practice as felonies instead of those whose preferred set of priorities for making policy on the subject makes the analogous provisions of the Volstead Act look like kum-ba-yah multiculturalism by comparison--that most sensible people hold, but do you genuinely consider circumcision a comparable violation to the other things that you're mentioning, or is it just that degree and scale have no meaning to you?

Damn Nathan, kill'em.

[DC Al Fine]

Thanks for the long, reasonable and well thought out rebuttal.  I've come to expect these kind of great posts from you.  Come back tomorrow to tell us you hate both sides of the issue, 'cause that helps too.

[DC Al Fine]

Why are jmfcst and opebo banned and 20RP12 isn't?

You are literally the biggest child I've ever known and you are 30. Seriously, grow up.

[DC Al Fine]

And, yeah, the New Right was basically the Old Right.  Ideologically, you can see a lot of continuity from the second Ku Klux Klan to the New Right of the 1960s.  These were just American fascists.

Yes, a group of Roman Catholics united by their support of the half-Jew Barry Goldwater were the same thing as the second Klan.

What's more, I repeated that again, which makes it, in this thread alone, three times as true!

[DC Al Fine]

You're not being cute, BRTD. Cut it out. This is akin to arguing that you'd cheerfully sign up for fighting in the trenches on the Western Front for the chance to see the beautiful French countryside.

My attitude on this needs to be understood in context. I grew up in North Dakota and wanted to get out and move to a big city...but many people around were talking about how horrifying that is because all big cities are universally terrible places and you'd never survive and if you want to move to a bigger metro at least go to a suburb. So I vowed to never live in a suburb.

Because it's wise to go the rest of your life guided by an "F#ck you, Dad!" mentality developed during your adolescence. After all, if there's one thing we know, it's that you never need to mature beyond your freshman year of high school.

[DC Al Fine]

MormDem comes up with a wonderful beat down of criticisms levied against him.

You realize we're talking about caffeine here right? For some of us (especially those of us with a bit of ADHD) it's a crucial aid to getting things done. Jesus man, is there anything you're allowed to enjoy? I really am glad that I'm not part of the grand scam of mormonism that requires living a dreadfully boring existence in return for some supposed path to heaven.

And there goes the hypocrisy of the latte-sipping left again. Claiming to love different lifestyles, but then they go off and call other lifestyles "scams" or "boring". Truly they are no different from your average Liberty University/ Provo Mormon Evangelical in that sense.

[DC Al Fine]

it was designed to build the post-WW2 Europe business interests wanted to see.  barring interference, parties loyal to Stalin may have been democratically elected (and almost were in Italy, and may have been without CIA interference).

if it was done simply out of good nature they would've given money to the USSR too, which sustained almost incomprehensible losses during WW2.

I don't believe this; the rebuttal to this stupid argument is in the post literally above yours.

[DC Al Fine]

or profoundly stupid remarks about Marxism being a 'secular religion', whatever the  that means

You know how you have a signature that is a stylized picture of Leon Trotsky looking far better than he ever did in life who has apparently grown to gigantic proportions such that his head is bigger than any of the Red Army soldiers he is commanding? That's basically what they mean.