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Ben Romney
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« on: April 26, 2011, 05:06:11 PM »
« edited: April 27, 2011, 12:12:02 AM by Tender Branson »

with 49/48 approval The obumbler lead Palin, Gingrich, Huck, Trump and Romney!

Obama/Huckabee:48/47
Obama/Romney:47/44
Obama/Gingrich:49/45
Obama/Trump:51/39
Obama/Palin:52/40

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_0422.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 05:26:16 PM »

Hilarious. In a close election, this state should be safe R.
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 06:22:08 PM »

It is really interesting that the Democrat does just as well, if not better in North Carolina than he does in Pennsylvania.  It certainly seems that the demographics of North Carolina are changing. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 07:29:39 PM »

Again, please provide the link when you post polls:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_0422.pdf

Obama job approval / disapproval: 49 / 48%

favorability / unfavorability among all voters:
Gingrich 31 / 50%
Huckabee 42 / 37%
Palin 33 / 60%
Romney 31 / 44%
Trump 27 / 62%

favorability / unfavorability among Republicans only:
Gingrich 50 / 27%
Huckabee 69 / 15%
Palin 63 / 28%
Romney 45 / 32%
Trump 45 / 42%
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 09:04:11 PM »

If North Carolina is going blue, then it's safe bet that most of what went blue in 2008 will stay that way, with the exception of Indiana.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 09:10:56 PM »

It certainly seems that the demographics of North Carolina are changing. 

Definitely. Its getting more hispanic and Yankee every year....
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 11:40:26 PM »

If North Carolina is going blue, then it's safe bet that most of what went blue in 2008 will stay that way, with the exception of Indiana.

Couldn't disagree more. If that were the case, Missouri would have gone Dem in 2008.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 11:51:04 PM »

I flat out don't believe this poll.  I doubt Obama wins NC again.

Rasmussen has pretty accurately polled NC and their last '10 poll (Oct 13th) showed Obama at a 43% approve 56% disapprove in NC, and I highly doubt he's improved since then.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 12:13:48 AM »

Obama vs. Huckabee



Obama vs. Romney



Obama vs. Gingrich



Obama vs. Palin



Obama vs. Trump

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 02:34:23 AM »

I flat out don't believe this poll.  I doubt Obama wins NC again.

Rasmussen has pretty accurately polled NC and their last '10 poll (Oct 13th) showed Obama at a 43% approve 56% disapprove in NC, and I highly doubt he's improved since then.

Doubt is one thing. But unless you have contradictory evidence to this poll, you have no cause to make any decisive assertions about whether President Obama can win the state. I see polls for stronger-R states like Georgia and South Carolina, and they are both on the margin for going for President Obama. You can hedge all that you want, and of course you can see scenarios in which President Obama loses support nationwide with events that have yet to happen. Just don't deny polls unless they are  biased or suspect.

The political scene has changed since November 2010. North Carolina has been polled extensively, and it has been surprisingly consistent. The state usually shows President Obama in a virtual tie with Mike Huckabee, a slight but firm lead over Mitt Romney, and overpowering leads over Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin. The only obvious trend is that Sarah Palin is losing whatever credibility she has very fast.

If he must campaign in North Carolina to win the state, then he wins it.  I can draw some conclusions about North Carolina:

The only Republicans who have a chance of winning the state's Presidential vote in November 2012 are Washington insiders who don't have voting records to  make them easy targets for negative ads by the Democratic Party and haven't made fools of themselves. I interpret that to mean former Governors Huckabee and Romney -- and perhaps former Governor Pawlenty and current Indiana Governor Daniels -- the latter two mostly on 'absence of conflicting evidence'.     
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 03:47:33 AM »

It certainly does seem like PPP is enormously more Democrat-positive than any other pollster, and is thus in doubt.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 05:20:18 AM »

Despite the legislative elections this year, the state has been trending democrat somewhat. Despite only getting 43 percent statewide, John Kerry won 56 percent of the under 30 vote in 2004.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 10:24:12 AM »

It certainly does seem like PPP is enormously more Democrat-positive than any other pollster, and is thus in doubt.

Yep.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2011, 10:31:15 AM »

It certainly does seem like PPP is enormously more Democrat-positive than any other pollster, and is thus in doubt.

Although PPP were dead on in NC in 2010, they actually underestimated the Democrats pretty much everywhere else.
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2011, 10:32:11 AM »

I don't buy this poll
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2011, 10:42:28 AM »

I believe this poll. North Carolina is changing fast.
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2011, 11:06:34 AM »

I beleive it too.  If in 2008, Obama was polling nationwide like he is, he'd be loosing North Carolina significantly.   But the North Carolina of today is much different than even the North Carolina of 2008.
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2011, 11:39:09 AM »

It certainly does seem like PPP is enormously more Democrat-positive than any other pollster, and is thus in doubt.

Although PPP were dead on in NC in 2010, they actually underestimated the Democrats pretty much everywhere else.


Interesting.. so why they're overestimating Obama now?
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2011, 01:23:29 PM »

It certainly does seem like PPP is enormously more Democrat-positive than any other pollster, and is thus in doubt.
At least in all the recent polls yeah. They were great in 2010 though.

My guess is its just that they're sampling for something more like a 2008 electorate than other pollsters.
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2011, 01:37:05 PM »

Something really interesting is happening in NC.  It could easily turn into NY south by 2030 if population growth remains strong.  Regardless of Obama's fortunes nationally, I would expect NC to have a left leaning PVI in 2012. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2011, 02:02:18 PM »

Couldn't disagree more. If that were the case, Missouri would have gone Dem in 2008.

My point is that if Republicans aren't polling in the lead in North Carolina, which has had a very Republican tilt, then it's not a good sign for getting crossover support in key states that have less of a Republican tilt.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2011, 12:52:02 PM »

I believe this poll. North Carolina is changing fast.

Yes, it sad.  Liberals are fleeing the northeast after their policies have made those states uninhabitable and they're invading the conservative south and taking their moronic politics with them.  Just stay in New York!
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2011, 05:05:52 PM »

I believe this poll. North Carolina is changing fast.

Yes, it sad.  Liberals are fleeing the northeast after their policies have made those states uninhabitable and they're invading the conservative south and taking their moronic politics with them.  Just stay in New York!

No, it's because the collapse of manufacturing brought on by corporate policy of shipping jobs overseas, and the cold doesn't help either.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2011, 10:47:49 PM »

I believe this poll. North Carolina is changing fast.

Yes, it sad.  Liberals are fleeing the northeast after their policies have made those states uninhabitable and they're invading the conservative south and taking their moronic politics with them.  Just stay in New York!

Uninhabitable? Take a good look at educational achievement, poverty rates, and crime.

More significantly, few people like to shovel snow.
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2011, 10:59:08 PM »

I believe this poll. North Carolina is changing fast.

Yes, it sad.  Liberals are fleeing the northeast after their policies have made those states uninhabitable and they're invading the conservative south and taking their moronic politics with them.  Just stay in New York!

Uninhabitable? Take a good look at educational achievement, poverty rates, and crime.

More significantly, few people like to shovel snow.

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