SENATE BILL: Ethanol Subsidy Reform Act (Law'd)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ethanol Subsidy Reform Act

With the increased cost of foods worldwide including grains and corn due to the increasing use of farmland as ethanol production growth, it is necessary to reform the system of ethanol subsidies.

1) 25% of all ethanol subsidies will be transfered directly into the general fund of the Atlasian federal government.

2) 25% of all ethanol subsidies will be transfered into a federal tax credit for the implementation of renewable energy vehicles.

Sponsor: HappyWarrior

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In 72 hours, we will be at final vote on this accept if we are voting on an amendment or about to do so.

[Rowan]

I would actually propose that we remove all ethanol subsidies. Or at least have a plan that gradually eliminates them over a period of X number of years.

[HappyWarrior]

I would actually propose that we remove all ethanol subsidies. Or at least have a plan that gradually eliminates them over a period of X number of years.

I just wanted an inital elimination of half and then later maybe the elimination of the rest at a later point.

[tmthforu94]

I would actually propose that we remove all ethanol subsidies. Or at least have a plan that gradually eliminates them over a period of X number of years.

I just wanted an inital elimination of half and then later maybe the elimination of the rest at a later point.

We'd be saving time by following Rowan's suggestion and phasing it out rather that passing another bill at a later time eliminating them.

[HappyWarrior]

I would actually propose that we remove all ethanol subsidies. Or at least have a plan that gradually eliminates them over a period of X number of years.

I just wanted an inital elimination of half and then later maybe the elimination of the rest at a later point.

We'd be saving time by following Rowan's suggestion and phasing it out rather that passing another bill at a later time eliminating them.

Well if he has any sort of amendment I'd happily take a look at it.

[Rowan]

I would actually propose that we remove all ethanol subsidies. Or at least have a plan that gradually eliminates them over a period of X number of years.

I just wanted an inital elimination of half and then later maybe the elimination of the rest at a later point.

We'd be saving time by following Rowan's suggestion and phasing it out rather that passing another bill at a later time eliminating them.

Well if he has any sort of amendment I'd happily take a look at it.

Give me some time. I'll get something together.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

CHECK THE WIKI!!!!! 


I do remember seeing something about a repeal or something around 2005ish or so. I could be worng though.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I will oppose all efforts to end ethanol subsidies for the sake of ending them.  It will have no appreciable impact on food prices since all it will do is increase oil demand and thus raise the price of oil, which in turn will raise the price of growing crops.

In the end, all we've done is save a penny while sending a pound overseas... rather than keeping it at home.

I'd hope any senators with common sense would agree with me on this and oppose this bill.

[Rowan]

CHECK THE WIKI!!!!! 


I do remember seeing something about a repeal or something around 2005ish or so. I could be worng though.

Who the hell reads the Wiki?

[HappyWarrior]

I will oppose all efforts to end ethanol subsidies for the sake of ending them.  It will have no appreciable impact on food prices since all it will do is increase oil demand and thus raise the price of oil, which in turn will raise the price of growing crops.

In the end, all we've done is save a penny while sending a pound overseas... rather than keeping it at home.

I'd hope any senators with common sense would agree with me on this and oppose this bill.

Hence why the rest of the money is being put into tax subsidies for alternative energy which don't screw over poor nations.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The idea of burning food to turn it into fuel is the defination of insanity. It has drained our food silos to the point that we have limited ability to deal with a crisis of some magnitude. It raises food prices, hurts the environment more then Petroleum, and is very innefficient.


The bill should distinguish between ethenol derived from food products and those derived from other sources.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I hate subsidies on ethanol. Let's remove them pronto!

[HappyWarrior]

The idea of burning food to turn it into fuel is the defination of insanity. It has drained our food silos to the point that we have limited ability to deal with a crisis of some magnitude. It raises food prices, hurts the environment more then Petroleum, and is very innefficient.


The bill should distinguish between ethenol derived from food products and those derived from other sources.

I meant to at the outset, I'll get to that later.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The idea of burning food to turn it into fuel is the defination of insanity. It has drained our food silos to the point that we have limited ability to deal with a crisis of some magnitude. It raises food prices, hurts the environment more then Petroleum, and is very innefficient.


The bill should distinguish between ethenol derived from food products and those derived from other sources.

I meant to at the outset, I'll get to thatlater.

Only one thing really comes mind, Sanford and Son.

"You hear that Louise, I'm commin to join ya honey".

[HappyWarrior]

Amendment:

Ethanol Subsidy Reform Act

With the increased cost of foods worldwide including grains and corn due to the increasing use of farmland as ethanol production growth, it is necessary to reform the system of ethanol subsidies.

1) 25% of all food based ethanol subsidies will be transfered directly into the general fund of the Atlasian federal government.

2) 25% of all food based ethanol subsidies will be transfered into a federal tax credit for the implementation of renewable energy vehicles.

Sponsor: HappyWarrior

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object. I am starting that from 10:52 by the way. If someone has an issue with that on such a change, they can go to hell.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

what kind of vehicles are we talking about here with the tax credit?  biodeisel? do we have the capacity and production ready for people to take advantage of this tax credit? (note a hybrid or electric car is not in itself a renewable energy vehicle.)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

More clarification would certainly be good.


Don't get me wrong, I want productive debate and discussion.


"Only this time I want it done quickly" - Mathew Broderick in the move "Glory".


So I'll just fire a Colt pistol behind your heads while you discuss.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That amendment, number 23 has passed.


WTF part of quickly do you people not understand. Important points are brought up and in two days no one bothers to respond.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

RL ethanol subsidies are about 6 Bil.  That means about 1.5 Bil for each of these items.  Another option for the tax credit would be to have it for research and investment into cellulosic ethanol.

[HappyWarrior]

Amendment 2:

Ethanol Subsidy Reform Act

With the increased cost of foods worldwide including grains and corn due to the increasing use of farmland as ethanol production growth, it is necessary to reform the system of ethanol subsidies.

1) 25% of all food based ethanol subsidies will be transfered directly into the general fund of the Atlasian federal government.

2) 25% of all food based ethanol subsidies will be transfered into a federal tax credit for the implementation and research of renewable energy vehicles, specifically cellulosic ethanol..

Sponsor: HappyWarrior

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I've always thought it was weird we use food for fuel when we could use it for food. But what do I know...

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Now the amendment has been on the floor long enough to be seen by the Senators (there actually is a required required this or something like it for a different reason prior to asking 24 hours to object)


With that said, Senators have 24 hours to object to the above amendment, number 26.