Illegal Aliens and Citizenship

[Redefeatbush04]

It's not about punishing the child. It's about not rewarding outlaws by giving them legal leverage in the United States.

I for one think this amendment should apply retroactively to anyone under the age of 18.

How are the children outlaws?

[Redefeatbush04]

The parents have legal leverage if they have children here. The kids are outlaws because they're not supposed to be in this country.

I believe we have had this conversation before (many times).

None of us are supposed to be in this country!!!! This was not our land!!! Everyones relatives are immigrants!!!! I don't see the benefit of punishing these innocent "outlaws". I certainly see a lot of detriments.

[Redefeatbush04]

So what you're saying is:
1. we stole this land
2. let's let them steal it too

I don't see how allowing inncent children to stay in the US is allowing them to steal our nation. I am pointing out a flaw in your argument that anyone whose parents immigrated to the US without belonging here deserves to have their citizenship removed.

Also.....you still haven't pointed out any benefits of this cruel proposal

[Redefeatbush04]

Less socialists. Duh. Have you seen what has happened to California?

Less socialists. Duh. Have you seen what has happened to California?

So you want to send innocent people out of the nation simply because some of them might be socialists. That smells of fascism. Maybe we should just ban anyone who doesn't vote republican from ever having children!!! Better yet, keep democrats from voting. I GOT IT. MAYBE THOSE WHO LIVE IN CITIES SHOULD NOT VOTE. THAT WILL KEEP DEMOCRATS FROM VOTING. 1/5 ACRE OF LAND SHOULD DO THE TRICK.

Detriments = innocent people have their rights infringed upon. Negative global view. Confusion. More tax money spent to enforce policies. Cruel, unfair, and unjust. Violent protests. Actually their are too many to list.

Benefits= those who don't agree with Philips viewpoint get exiled.

[Redefeatbush04]

Or we could just not let the children of illegal immigration stay in land that isn't theirs.

You keep saying that, and you haven't provided a reason why this is good.

[Redefeatbush04]

Socialism is bad. Agree or disagree?

Agree. But it is immoral to discriminate. The only reason you want them gone is because they have a viewpoint which opposes yours. That is wrong. The government should not be in a state where one political party maintains complete control and bans others. The US isn't a totalitarian fascist nation. There will be opposing viewpoints. That is what makes democracy great.

Totalitarianism is bad. Agree or disagree?

[Redefeatbush04]

Agree. But I disagree that this is totalitarianism.

Their VIEW POINT is fine. What's not fine is them voting for it, which directly infringes on my right to live in a free society and own property.

Thankfully, hispanics are trending GOP.

So the problem is that their viewpoint is different from yours? I'm sorry but that also means your viewpoint is different from theirs. If a free society is the big issue I don't see how thowing out innocent children is helping your cause any. And yes that would be totalitarian. Actually I purposely used a dictionary definition in that statement. The best part of the definition is that little part about trying to ban opposing viewpoints. Sounds pretty familliar doesn't it Philip? If throwing people out of the country who have a particular viewpoint isn't banning that viewpoint what exactly is?

[Redefeatbush04]

They're being thrown out of the country for not being here legally.

Then why the hell did you bring up socialism

[Redefeatbush04]

People here illegally are much more likely to be socialist. Which is why it's so vital to keep them from voting.

The only reason you want them gone is because they have a viewpoint which opposes yours. That is wrong. The government should not be in a state where one political party maintains complete control and bans others. The US isn't a totalitarian fascist nation. There will be opposing viewpoints. That is what makes democracy great.

Totalitarianism is bad. Agree or disagree?

Is socialism the reason or is it not the reason you are throwing these "outlaws" out of the country. make up your mind. A simple yes or no answer

[Redefeatbush04]

Answer my question.

I have to figure out the valididty of this question first. If socialism is the reason it is a valid question. If it is not the reason, it is completely unrelated to the topic. Is socialism the reason or is it not the reason you are throwing these "outlaws" out of the nation.

[Redefeatbush04]

Illegal aliens don't have the right to be here. Would I mind if they weren't a threat to my liberty? No, but they are, so they should be thrown out.

So you wouldn't mind if the sons of the sons of people who immigrated illegally here were not socialists but they are, and you disagree with that viewpoint. You disagree with the socialist viewpoint, and because their viewpoint is different from yours, you don't want them to have rights. Interesting.....I asked you that question a few posts back and you said that their viewpoint has nothing to do with it.

[Redefeatbush04]

I thought up a similar proposal!  I hope you like it!

Those whose ancestors served in the confederacy during the civil war should not be allowed to vote

StatesRights + other southerners don't take offense to this. Unlike Philip I do not support such prejudiced policies.

[Redefeatbush04]

Why are Confederates a threat to our liberty, and why don't they have the right to be here?

Their various social views are threats to our liberty:

Legalized drugs, flag burning laws, gay marriage, abortion, ect.

They don't have a right to be here because their parents parent parents parents were treasonous

Now do you see why your idea is stupid

[Redefeatbush04]

Their gay marriage and abortion views are not a threat to liberty.

Their parents were citizens, and secession is not treason.

social Authoritarian are just as much a threat to our liberty as economic authoritarians. It doesn't matter if their parents are citizens. This is my bill, not yours. Their ancestors violated their allegiance to the united states of america, and betrayed their country. This will not apply to all confederates. Only those that levied war against the U.S


once again a reminder to states rights and other southerners, I am not actually in favor of these kind of bills, because unlike Philip, I have respect for other cultures.