Illegal Aliens and Citizenship

[Lunar]

I'm surprised to see so many "no" answers. Is there any particular reason that the children of illegal aliens should be U.S. citizens?

umm..Deporting children is morally corrupt? Besides, they have no "home" for you to deport them to.

[Lunar]

What's this obsession with kicking people out of the country anyway?  Besides, if you want to stop illegal immigration, stop them from coming in.

[Lunar]

Racism => throwing people out of the country because of their race.

Legalism => throwing people out of the country because they're not here legally.

But Kodratos was arguing that the obsession with this legalism comes from racist motives.

I don't agree completely, but I think anti-immigration does often become a façade to mask and legitimize racist goals.  I think the same thing about the state's rights movement in the 60's.

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I think it's wrong to equate an illegal immigrant as an "invade."  There is a difference between someone who wants to pillage and rape your villages and someone who wants to do crappy jobs that no one else wants to do in order to fulfill their own "American dreams" of a better life.  It's not at the expense of everyone else.  Sure, they "take our jobs," by perhaps working at Walmart, but they also create them since they buy TVs and clothes just like everyone else.

I think skilled immigration should be unlimited and advocate greatly increasing unskilled as well.  It has to be somewhat gradual, otherwise it'll put strains on governmental services and the economy.

[Lunar]

As I said, immigration should be easier. I also don't think they 'take our jobs', they instead probably generate jobs, and they take the ones people born here don't want. I think having people come here is good overall, as it provides cheap labor that helps reduce the trade deficit. I do think we shouldn't hand out lots of government benefits to them - they should live just like everyone else. If they want to work, let them in to work, but they better work, otherwise they shouldn't expect help.

However, as I said, I don't like it when people disregard our laws. Certainly, they are not the worst of invaders, but they are invaders - they enter our land without permission. If you wish to live somewhere, you should respect the laws that have been put forth.

Ok, you and I are mostly on the same page.

You place a bit more emphasis on this violation of sovereignty than I do, but that's about it.

[Lunar]

So what you're saying is:
1. we stole this land
2. let's let them steal it too

YES

[Lunar]

People here illegally are much more likely to be socialist. Which is why it's so vital to keep them from voting.

You do know that someone here illegally is also almost guaranteed not to be able to vote?

You seem determined to kick people out who you claim disagree with you.  I wasn't going to respond to that because I was hoping it was a joke, but I find that kind of viewpoint outright disgusting.