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Question: Do you support this amendment?
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A18
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« on: December 05, 2004, 02:24:04 AM »
« edited: December 05, 2004, 02:28:14 AM by Philip »
Under the fourteenth amendment, anyone born in the United States is a citizen. This amendment, if passed, will revoke automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants born after the amendment is ratified.

Is this a good idea, or no?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.J.RES.44:

SECTION 1. No person born in the United States after the date of the ratification of this article shall be a citizen of the United States, or of any State, on account of birth in the United States unless the mother or father of the person is a citizen of the United States, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

SECTION 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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A18
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2004, 10:40:53 AM »
I'm surprised to see so many "no" answers. Is there any particular reason that the children of illegal aliens should be U.S. citizens?
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A18
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2004, 02:14:16 PM »
They'd be deported with their parents, of course.
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A18
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2004, 04:58:28 PM »
Quote from: Julien on December 05, 2004, 04:27:04 PM
That would be cruel. Germany doesn't allow people born of even legal immigrants there to become citizens, which is worse.

How is that cruel? People shouldn't be able to come over here illegally and have families with the legal rights of the rest of us.
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A18
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2004, 05:05:29 PM »
It's not about punishing the child. It's about not rewarding outlaws by giving them legal leverage in the United States.

I for one think this amendment should apply retroactively to anyone under the age of 18.
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A18
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2004, 05:35:01 PM »
Racism => throwing people out of the country because of their race.

Legalism => throwing people out of the country because they're not here legally.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2004, 05:42:00 PM »
So the reason we're not supposed to throw them out is because they happen to be Mexican?
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A18
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2004, 05:43:05 PM »
The parents have legal leverage if they have children here. The kids are outlaws because they're not supposed to be in this country.
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A18
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2004, 09:35:36 PM »
So what you're saying is:
1. we stole this land
2. let's let them steal it too
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2004, 10:05:56 PM »
Less socialists. Duh. Have you seen what has happened to California?
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2004, 10:31:00 PM »
Or we could just not let the children of illegal immigration stay in land that isn't theirs. But the 1/5 of an acre of land rule is good.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2004, 10:39:12 PM »
Socialism is bad. Agree or disagree?
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2004, 10:46:11 PM »
Agree. But I disagree that this is totalitarianism.

Their VIEW POINT is fine. What's not fine is them voting for it, which directly infringes on my right to live in a free society and own property.

Thankfully, hispanics are trending GOP.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2004, 11:02:16 PM »
No. They're being thrown out of the country for not being here legally. You asked me why that was important, and I told you why.

Someone voting to steal my liberty is violating my rights. Agree or disagree?
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2004, 11:10:25 PM »
People here illegally are much more likely to be socialist. Which is why it's so vital to keep them from voting.
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2004, 11:21:57 PM »
Someone voting to steal my liberty is violating my rights. Agree or disagree?
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2004, 11:26:08 PM »
Answer my question.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2004, 11:32:43 PM »
They're not being thrown out solely for being socialists, but that's one of the reasons.

BRTD is a socialist. Should he be thrown out? He's a threat to my liberty, but no, because he has the right to be here.

Illegal aliens don't have the right to be here. Would I mind if they weren't a threat to my liberty? No, but they are, so they should be thrown out.

It's a combination of the two.
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2004, 11:42:21 PM »
Quote from: Lunar on December 07, 2004, 11:33:49 PM
Quote from: Philip on December 07, 2004, 11:10:25 PM
People here illegally are much more likely to be socialist. Which is why it's so vital to keep them from voting.

You do know that someone here illegally is also almost guaranteed not to be able to vote?

You seem determined to kick people out who you claim disagree with you.  I wasn't going to respond to that because I was hoping it was a joke, but I find that kind of viewpoint outright disgusting.

The children of illegal immigrants can vote, and they're more likely to be socialist.

It's like this:

Here legally, not a threat to my liberty? Leave alone.
Here illegally, not a threat to my liberty? Leave alone.
Here legally, a threat to my liberty? Leave alone.
Here illegally, a threat to my liberty? Throw out.

I don't give a damn about their viewpoint. If they were just socialists, that'd be fine, but they vote socialist.

You know what I find disgusting? People voting to infringe on the liberties of someone else.
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2004, 10:58:37 AM »
Why are Confederates a threat to our liberty, and why don't they have the right to be here?
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2004, 03:50:47 PM »
Their gay marriage and abortion views are not a threat to liberty.

Their parents were citizens, and secession is not treason.
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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2004, 09:47:38 PM »
One's another country. One's this country. You can't ban everyone in certain states from voting.
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