Western Europe political parties survivor (Phase II) - Group B COMPLETE

[BenNebbich]

Eliminate

3 Progress Norway
2 Lib Dems

Immunize

2 Tories
1  Moderate Sweden

[Edu]

Eliminate
3 for the Conservative Party (UK)
2 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)

Immunity
2 for the Conservative Party (Norway)
1 for the Danish Social Liberal Party

[Antonio the Sixth]

Eliminate :
3 VVD
2 KD

Immunity :
2 Hoyre
1 Moderate Party

[Antonio the Sixth]

Progress Party (Norway) is out

FP (N) : 17
Con : 8
VVD : 7
KD : 5
LibDem : 4
KFP : 2
FP (S) : 2

Immunity
H : 8
Con : 6
B : 3
M : 3
Kesk : 2
V (D) : 1
C (S) : 1
FP (S) : 1
CDU/CSU : 1
LibDem : 1




- Austrian People's Party
- Danish Social Liberal Party
- Venstre (Denmark)
- Conservative People's Party (Denmark)
- Centre Party (Finland)
- National Coalition Party (Finland)
- True Finns
- National Front (France)
- Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
- Popular Orthodox Rally (Greece)
- Liberal Party (Iceland)
- Democrats 66 (Netherlands)
- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Netherlands)
- Party for Freedom (Netherlands)
- Centre Party (Norway)
- Liberal Party (Norway)
- Conservative Party (Norway) Immune for rounds 11-14
- Christian Democratic Party (Norway)
- Progress Party (Norway)
- Liberal People's Party (Sweden)
- Centre Party (Sweden)
- Moderate Party (Sweden)
- Christian Democrats (Sweden)
- Sweden Democrats
- Christian Democratic People's Party of Switzerland
- Swiss People's Party
- Liberal Democrats (UK)
- Conservative Party (UK)

Round 11 begins. For rounds 11 and 12, you have 10 votes overall. You can split them as you want between this round and the next one (for example, you can cast 7 votes this round and 3 the next one). You must cast all your votes for the same party.

[big bad fab]

2 VVD

[BenNebbich]

9 Lib Dems

[Niemeyerite]

9 Lib Dems

[Hans-im-Glück]

9 Conservative Party (UK)

[Nhoj]

3 Conservative Party (UK)

[homelycooking]

8 Conservative People's Party

[Edu]

1 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)

[Hash]

6 VVD

[Antonio the Sixth]

4 VVD

[Antonio the Sixth]

Liberal Democrats (UK) is out

LibDem : 19
Con : 13
VVD : 12
C (D) : 8




- Austrian People's Party
- Danish Social Liberal Party
- Venstre (Denmark)
- Conservative People's Party (Denmark)
- Centre Party (Finland)
- National Coalition Party (Finland)
- True Finns
- National Front (France)
- Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
- Popular Orthodox Rally (Greece)
- Liberal Party (Iceland)
- Democrats 66 (Netherlands)
- People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Netherlands)
- Party for Freedom (Netherlands)
- Centre Party (Norway)
- Liberal Party (Norway)
- Conservative Party (Norway) Immune for rounds 11-14
- Christian Democratic Party (Norway)
- Progress Party (Norway)
- Liberal People's Party (Sweden)
- Centre Party (Sweden)
- Moderate Party (Sweden)
- Christian Democrats (Sweden)
- Sweden Democrats
- Christian Democratic People's Party of Switzerland
- Swiss People's Party
- Liberal Democrats (UK)
- Conservative Party (UK)

Round 12 begins. No elimination this round, only a direct promotion vote. You have 9 votes, to cast 4-4-1.

Due to an error from me, the votes not used in round 11 will be cast next round instead of this one, sorry.

[big bad fab]

Promote

4 UK Conservatives
4 Moderate Party (Sweden)
1 CDU/CSU

[Edu]

Wait, what? Where did this "Promotion" rule come from?
Maybe i'm missing when the threads will be merged or something but is there any reason why we have a promotion vote this round instead of in round 13?

[Niemeyerite]

4 Tories
4 CDU
1 Venstre

[Antonio the Sixth]

Wait, what? Where did this "Promotion" rule come from?
Maybe i'm missing when the threads will be merged or something but is there any reason why we have a promotion vote this round instead of in round 13?

For symetry's sake... Promotion in group A was 3 rounds after the first one, so in group B it's 3 rounds before the last one.

I'm sorry, I had scheduled the promotion round before even beginning phase II. When I made this rule on round 11, I had totally forgotten about that...

I hope that won't be too much of a problem, but you know I did the mistake in good faith.

[Nhoj]

4 National Coalition Party (Finland)
4 Moderate Party (Sweden)
1 CDU/CSU

[Antonio the Sixth]

Promote :
4 CDU/CSU
4 Moderate Party
1 Democrats 66

[Edu]

I fully believe you made a mistake, you are a good guy and i wouldn't accuse you of pulling a "Libertas" but I'm going to tell you why I'm pretty pissed right now

I've pretty much been on the opposite side of basically every one that voted in this survivor for months, my votes usually don't influence the result at all since nobody votes the parties i want out. Maybe i had a more recent success but the last tie i remember my vote having any influence in the results was when i managed to vote for the UMP and eliminate it, something that happened almost exactly 1 month ago, since then my votes have been doomed to failure day after day.
Now i finally have a good round with he LibDems eliminated, but i usually voted to have the Tories out before the LibDems so the victory wasn't complete (And frankly the LibDems were eliminated thanks to the 2 guys that gave 9 votes to it, and not because of me)
According to my calculations if the same people that voted last round votes in this one then the UK Conservative Party would be out, because the combined votes of Hans, Ethelbert, Nhoj and myself would have been greater than the votes of the rest of the users combined, so there was close to a 100%chance of the Conservatives going out.

But suddenly comes a Promotion vote that as far as i know wasn't advertised where there is a pretty good chance that the Tories will be promoted leaving everyone who voted for the Conservatives last round hanging in the wind.

I know your mistake was in good faith, I'm not questioning that at all, but it was your mistake, not ours, and the explanation that it all should be Symmetric is not really enough for me. Been waiting months with wasted votes and when i finally get my votes to count, then something else screws me. I think i have a right to be a bit annoyed.

Anyway, if the Tories aren't promoted this round and after next round they are still here I'll keep on playing like always (yep, wasting my votes even ), but if the Tories are promoted i think I'll stop voting in this survivor.

Again, i think this was an honest mistake and of course there is always the chance that the Tories aren't promoted and CDU or some other will. In fact, if need be, with great pains i would even vote to promote CDU just so the Conservas aren't promoted.
So yes, this is not a threat and I'm not really angry, it's more of a rant and to explain why i sounded pissy in my last message

[homelycooking]

4 Tories
4 CDU/CSU
1 Democrats 66

[BenNebbich]

4 Tories
4 D66
1 CDU/CSU

[Edu]

I've talked with Antonio a bit via PM and the fact is that i'm a bit embarrased of being frustrated yesterday, i think he's doing a great job with this big survivor and the truth is that I would keep voting in it even if the Tories are promoted
I guess it was a rant of the moment

Still, i suppose i have to, with great pains, vote for CDU which is a tragedy for me since after the LibDems it was my other big target

4 for CDU/CSU
4 for Moderate Party (Sweden)
1 for Conservative People's Party (Denmark)

[Hans-im-Glück]

4  Democrats 66 (Netherlands)
4  Danish Social Liberal Party
1  Centre Party (Sweden)