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Question: Acceptez-vous que le Québec devienne souverain, après avoir offert formellement au Canada un nouveau partenariat économique et politique, dans le cadre du projet de loi sur l'avenir du Québec et de l'entente signée le 12 juin 1995?
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« on: May 08, 2011, 09:54:06 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2011, 10:10:09 AM »

Nope.
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2011, 10:21:11 AM »

Absolument non.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2011, 10:25:40 AM »

See my opinion of scottish independence.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2011, 10:28:27 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2011, 10:32:00 AM »

I'm not sure. In theory yes, because they would allow my preferred parties to do much better. In practice probably not because they'd just continue to be subsidized. If the question was Alberta or the West leaving then I'd say yes without hesitation though.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2011, 10:53:49 AM »

Non!
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2011, 10:54:32 AM »

Very detailed and reasoned arguments as usual.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2011, 12:48:10 PM »

Very detailed and reasoned arguments as usual.

My reasons are pretty must nationalistic ones. It'd be the same if Alberta would want to secede, I'd be against it for the same reasons, no matter how much I hate the province.
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2011, 01:03:45 PM »

Non, because the anti-English laws in Quebec would get even worse upon independence. The place would probably end up being the modern day equivalent of apartheid South Africa. That was a big reason I was so happy to see the Bloc virtually annihilated.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2011, 01:08:59 PM »

Non, because the anti-English laws in Quebec would get even worse upon independence. The place would probably end up being the modern day equivalent of apartheid South Africa. That was a big reason I was so happy to see the Bloc virtually annihilated.

Excessive hyperbole.
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2011, 01:42:53 PM »

It is indeed very libertarian to require that businesses not be allowed to post their name in English unless they also post a French translation above it and in larger font. Or require KFC to be called "PFK" (Poulet Frit Kentucky)...even though it's still just called KFC in France.
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2011, 01:48:57 PM »

The sentiment behind it is understandable, but it wouldn't end well.
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2011, 01:59:21 PM »

It is indeed very libertarian to require that businesses not be allowed to post their name in English unless they also post a French translation above it and in larger font. Or require KFC to be called "PFK" (Poulet Frit Kentucky)...even though it's still just called KFC in France.

Something tells me you would really enjoy the Halle-Vilvoorde part of Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde.
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2011, 02:08:48 PM »

It is indeed very libertarian to require that businesses not be allowed to post their name in English unless they also post a French translation above it and in larger font. Or require KFC to be called "PFK" (Poulet Frit Kentucky)...even though it's still just called KFC in France.

Something tells me you would really enjoy the Halle-Vilvoorde part of Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde.

I wasn't sure what you meant so I looked it up a bit more:

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Actually that's an area where I just find it pathetic that separate parties for language even exist. Another reason I was happy to see the BQ go down hard.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2011, 03:43:21 PM »

I really don't see the benefit to Quebec or to Canada... Quebec's essential problem is that it is an island of French in an ocean of English and that isn't going to change with independence. Also, what Al said.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2011, 04:02:25 PM »

It is indeed very libertarian to require that businesses not be allowed to post their name in English unless they also post a French translation above it and in larger font. Or require KFC to be called "PFK" (Poulet Frit Kentucky)...even though it's still just called KFC in France.

Something tells me you would really enjoy the Halle-Vilvoorde part of Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde.

I wasn't sure what you meant so I looked it up a bit more:

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Actually that's an area where I just find it pathetic that separate parties for language even exist. Another reason I was happy to see the BQ go down hard.

No, what I was referring to was the petty bullying of linguistic minorities in the regio around Brussels. Some municipalities actually will kick councillors out of the council for using the wrong language (i.e. French) when communicating with their voters, who are 90%+ francophone, or will ban restaurants from having a French name. It's a horrible, horrible place.
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2011, 05:46:11 PM »

Yeah that does sound pretty bad. That's basically what Quebec does to English though.
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2011, 06:11:01 PM »

The sentiment behind it is understandable, but it wouldn't end well.
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2011, 06:13:14 PM »

The tangible effects on the personal lives of those affected would amount to a pain in the ass.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2011, 06:48:14 PM »

Since you're using the 1995 referendum, absolutely not.

The only "true" separatist referendum was the 1980 one. The '95 referendum would have validated Parizeau's bill, putting into law clauses such as:

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The Oui campaign put much emphasis on how separation would be painless, and how Quebec can still ride the Canadian economy. Needless to say, the rest of Canada wondered what was the point.
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2011, 08:35:12 PM »

There's an error in the poll question; in French there is always a space before a question mark.

Regardless of one's opinion of the Parti Québécois, it did accomplish well its goal of the gallicization of Montreal.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2011, 03:09:05 AM »

The sentiment behind it is understandable, but it wouldn't end well.

Yeah, I tend to agree with that. I'd have difficulties to see an independent Québec economically viable.

If we add political considerations, then... Tongue
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