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« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2011, 11:30:31 am »
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The honourable member for Shipley tells it like it is:
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« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2011, 04:22:12 pm »
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The honourable member for Shipley tells it like it is:


No concessions like, not pushing through government the NHS reforms as they currently are?

I'm not fan of Clegg, but I'm sorry to say that that last post demonstrates that you're really starting to lose focus on who your real opponents are (e.g. the Conservatives).

(Fortunately that's not irreversible Smiley)
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« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2011, 11:28:55 pm »
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I agree - and it's true of many Labourites - I've certainly seen a few commentators arguing in the Mirror that concessions shouldn't be given. Whether it's just an urge to split the coalition ASAP or something more depressing that I've come to expect: many of Labour's staunch supporters being actually fairly reactionary/Conservative these days.
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« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2011, 01:47:27 pm »
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Now we are talking about "concessions"...

The reason why Clegg will be remembered as an utter failure and a joke is precisely because he acted as if he had to pray Cameron for concessions. That's not how people in his situation should have acted. In 2010, Clegg was the kingmaker : he had the power, and the duty to tell Cameron "I want this, this, this and this. Either you accept or you go f- yourself". He didn't have the balls to do, and instead he got a miserable little stupid concession, which he eventually ended up losing too because his acceptance of every Tory policy made him unpopular.
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« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2011, 09:24:16 am »
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You make the mistake of assuming that he ever stood for anything.
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« Reply #55 on: May 11, 2011, 01:59:49 pm »
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You make the mistake of assuming that he ever stood for anything.

It's not only about convictions or wanting to change things. The way he acted totally destroyed his political carreer, making him a total joke.
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« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2011, 02:17:48 pm »
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You make the mistake of assuming that he ever stood for anything.

It's not only about convictions or wanting to change things. The way he acted totally destroyed his political carreer, making him a total joke.

And his party...

If Cameron was called "Mr. Ten Percent" in 2009, then this marriage of political convenience must mean that Clegg is Mrs. Ten Percent in 2011.
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« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2011, 03:08:28 pm »
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10% approval ratings ? Yeah, makes sense. Grin
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« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2011, 04:03:15 pm »
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10% approval ratings ? Yeah, makes sense. Grin

10% voting intention, but it's just as bad Tongue
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« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2011, 08:39:30 am »
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You make the mistake of assuming that he ever stood for anything.

It's not only about convictions or wanting to change things. The way he acted totally destroyed his political carreer, making him a total joke.

Meh. He was the leader of the permanent centrist out-of-government eternal random protest party. And now he has a ministerial car. From his point of view...

...of course he's wrecking his party in much of the country. I note with interest that some of those places in the Pennines that stuck with the Liberals through their darkest years (most of the time) abandoned them last week; a massive leaking of votes Labourwards losing them wards to both Labour and the Tories.
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« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2011, 12:28:35 pm »
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You make the mistake of assuming that he ever stood for anything.

It's not only about convictions or wanting to change things. The way he acted totally destroyed his political carreer, making him a total joke.

Meh. He was the leader of the permanent centrist out-of-government eternal random protest party. And now he has a ministerial car. From his point of view...


The LibDems - More interested in cabinet seats over concessions.

Tory minority would've been so much better for the Liberals... (and the country, for that matter, because it wouldn't be able to be so extreme).
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