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Question: Should Scotland leave the United Kingdom and being an independent nation?
Yes   -30 (63.8%)
No   -17 (36.2%)
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« on: May 06, 2011, 11:37:39 am »
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With the SNP majority...
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2011, 12:10:43 pm »
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All of the Americans will vote 'yes' because they mistakenly believe that Scotland is a land of Romance. Most of the British posters will vote 'no' because they mistakenly believe that Scotland is a land of bleakness and Irn Bru.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2011, 12:20:12 pm »
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For political reasons, an English Tory supporter or politician should be in favour of Scottish independence, whereas a member of the Labour party might fear such a scenario as this could secure the Tories a long lasting and solid majority in this newly formed "not-so United Kingdom".

I personally don't care too much, for that matter.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2011, 01:08:28 pm »
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If Scots want it, yes. If they don't, no. This is my principle for any independence.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 03:37:30 pm »
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Could someone do a mock-up of a Union Jack that just has St. George and St. Patrick?  It'd be a hideous, hideous flag.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2011, 04:14:44 pm »
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If Scots want it, yes. If they don't, no. This is my principle for any independence.

I share this philosophy.

If I myself was a Scotsman I'd probably vote no though.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2011, 04:36:57 pm »
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I look forward to the argument, debate and vote. I want to see the raw figures behind any seperation deal; if it looks good I'll vote for it.

Same with any severance package Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2011, 04:44:50 pm »
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Where is the "don't know" option?  But would lean no to the question asked.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2011, 05:22:35 pm »
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(only one I found on Google)
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2011, 05:52:50 pm »
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Yes.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2011, 05:58:49 pm »
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How well is Scotland able to support itself economically?
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2011, 06:03:10 pm »
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Could someone do a mock-up of a Union Jack that just has St. George and St. Patrick?  It'd be a hideous, hideous flag.



(only one I found on Google)

Does it have to be some variant of the Cross?  Surely England and Wales can come up with a better flag than that, perhaps one inspired from the Welsh flag, only that it would also include a White Dragon (standing for Anglo-Saxon England) or the Royal Lion in addition to the Celtic Red Dragon on a blue background.  
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2011, 06:29:53 pm »
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How well is Scotland able to support itself economically?

Depends on who you ask Wink

"Scotland has an estimated potential of 36.5 GW of wind and 7.5 GW of tidal power, 25% of the estimated total capacity for the European Union and up to 14 GW of wave power potential, 10% of EU capacity"

If that potential is harnessed...guess who gets the money Wink
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2011, 08:20:18 pm »
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Could someone do a mock-up of a Union Jack that just has St. George and St. Patrick?  It'd be a hideous, hideous flag.



(only one I found on Google)

Does it have to be some variant of the Cross?  Surely England and Wales can come up with a better flag than that, perhaps one inspired from the Welsh flag, only that it would also include a White Dragon (standing for Anglo-Saxon England) or the Royal Lion in addition to the Celtic Red Dragon on a blue background.  

...Your proposal initially left me thinking you wanted St. George slaying the Welsh Dragon as the flag.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2011, 09:24:20 pm »
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(only one I found on Google)

Oh, honestly. Is it really that hard to edit a Wikipedia flag?




Still a foreigner, but I have different reasons for supporting independence than most:

Symbolically, it's karmic retribution for an English nation that has pillaged other nations for centuries.

Practically, independence will allow Scotland to govern without any of Westminster's jingoistic rallying. The big selling point is that independent Scotland could join the Euro and contribute more to the EU than it would ever have under the UK. The EU gains a net fuel producer and Scotland's infrastructure fund grows. But it also forces the UK's hand, having to trade with the EU in order to fuel the country. Britannia finally will be forced out of her shell.

I guess more liberal-minded supporters could argue that Scotland will be free to develop a services-based/high-tech economy when independent. Not having to subsidize other English regions is a plus, but, as a Canadian, I don't find that argument compelling.


I support NI republicans and Welsh independence for the same reasons, but Scotland is the only viable nation at this time.
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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2011, 10:53:38 pm »
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Totally and completely, if the Scots want it. Sean Connery for President!
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2011, 01:56:12 am »
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Sure, if you want to make it much harder for Labour to even win another general election.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2011, 03:56:24 am »
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I have long held that, seeing as there's no other way Scottish Labour can get the independence it needs, Scottish Independence is a necessity.

My views are colored somewhat by my emotional attachment to Welsh Independence, of course. Maybe I'm just settling on a substitute, seeing as Welsh independence is not going to happen.
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The big selling point is that independent Scotland could join the Euro

And the NO campaign just found their first winning argument.



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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2011, 07:28:26 am »
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If Scots want it, yes. If they don't, no. This is my principle for any independence.

I share this philosophy.

If I myself was a Scotsman I'd probably vote no though.

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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2011, 08:35:59 am »
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Symbolically, it's karmic retribution for an English nation that has pillaged other nations for centuries.

Is this the point that someone tells you about the critical role that Scotland - and a very large number of individual Scots - played in the imperial project?
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2011, 08:38:53 am »
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And the NO campaign just found their first winning argument.

The second, I think. This will be the first:



(note I'm not commenting on whether that would be fair or not. Just that it'll get used...)
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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2011, 09:35:33 am »
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I really don't care, but a UK of England, Wales and N. Ireland would be very weird.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2011, 02:01:08 pm »
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The big selling point is that independent Scotland could join the Euro

And the NO campaign just found their first winning argument.

Amen! The euro is precisely why Scotland should not declare independence.
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2011, 02:57:24 pm »
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They should declare independence from the UK AND the Germans. Why trade bondage for bondage when you can have true freedom.
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