Scottish Independence

[minionofmidas]

I have long held that, seeing as there's no other way Scottish Labour can get the independence it needs, Scottish Independence is a necessity.

My views are colored somewhat by my emotional attachment to Welsh Independence, of course. Maybe I'm just settling on a substitute, seeing as Welsh independence is not going to happen.

[minionofmidas]

Scotland is about size of Finland and economically like Norway not Iceland. Independent Scotland is necessery step before UN with 300 member states. The interesting question is whether some of Brittish oversea terriories are given to Scotland.

Maybe Saint Kilda?

[minionofmidas]

"Joined" the EU? They're in already.

[minionofmidas]

Sardinia was a pointless, random, artificial outlying possession of that country too - more so than within united Italy, actually (certainly a much better fit than Corse with France!) Which is why (though that was its official name, as the title of King was attached to Sardinia) no one in their right mind ever calls that country anything but Piemont or Piemont-Savoy.

But the Kingdom of Sicily/Naples has older borders than Scotland and probably, with hindsight, ought never to have been united with Italy in the first place (the ancient Kingdom of Italy including, of course, only northern and central Italy.)

As to Wales, all of England is just Welsh Irredenta.

[minionofmidas]

Sardinia was a pointless, random, artificial outlying possession of that country too - more so than within united Italy, actually (certainly a much better fit than Corse with France!) Which is why (though that was its official name, as the title of King was attached to Sardinia) no one in their right mind ever calls that country anything but Piemont or Piemont-Savoy.

Sardinia was not a bolt-on possession -- the Kingdom's capital was in Cagliari before it moved to Turin.  

The Kingdom of Sardinia's capital was in Cagliari when it was an outlying autonomous possession of Aragon and in Turin when Sardinia was still an outlying autonomous possession of a state that, confusingly, was officially styled the Kingdom of Sardinia and whose capital was Turin just as it had been when it was not yet styled the Kingdom of Sardinia. Though noone ever called it that except in a formal context. The wiki articles "Kingdom of Sardinia" and "Piedmont-Sardinia" (which is a legitimate replacement for Piedmont or Piedmont-Savoy, though uncommon) are just titlecruft-infected. You won't find any Italian history book pretending that Italy was united by Cavour and Sardinia, it's always Piedmont.

[minionofmidas]

In other words, you like the Welsh or current Scottish situation. (And yes, the right thing for Sardinia too. Though a bit more autonomy wouldn't hurt, I think.)

[minionofmidas]

(And yes, the right thing for Sardinia too. Though a bit more autonomy wouldn't hurt, I think.)

You people will do anything to try to undermine The Beautiful Place. Disgusting.

No, I want to save the beautiful place by getting the Mezzogiorno and Padania to secede from it! (The beautiful place is Toscany and Umbria, of course - the Emilia and Marche are not nearly as beautiful, but they can stay in. Rome has different politics, but is very much a beautiful place too and can stay as well.)