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Question: Do Palestinian Muslims identify with OBL's view of Islam?
Yeah, Duh!   -3 (23.1%)
Yes, it seems possible   -3 (23.1%)
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something outside the possible range of Duh to Duh   -3 (23.1%)
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« on: May 03, 2011, 06:46:22 pm »
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We've heard it said for nearly 10 years:  Osama is a radical Muslim whose views only represent a very thin slice of the Muslim world community.  But, since his death, the rubber is starting to hit meet the road...

Exhibit A:  Gaza:  Hamas condemns US killing of OBL
Exhibit B:  West Bank:  Dome of the Rock Imam (the Islamic church of Jerusalem) pledges revenge for OBL's death

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4064183,00.html

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my answer:  "Yeah, Duh!"  Didn't the Palestinians party on the streets on 9/11/2001?  So why should we be surprised to see them mourn OBL's death?

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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 08:23:29 pm »
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Most Palestinians and Jordanians I have met, while  stridently Sunni, even abrasively so. Aren't really all that into Wahhabist/Salafism.

Though they may sympathize with those in the movement who do actively stand up to the West.

Israeli Arabs - 2%?
West Bank - ~10%
Gaza: 20%?

Opposition to Israel was historically driven on either Pan-Arab Nationalism and Socialism or a mixture of the two.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 10:19:42 pm »
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Ah yea Duh.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 10:29:30 pm »
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 12:46:38 am »
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Though they may sympathize with those in the movement who do actively stand up to the West.
I think this explains it more than anything else.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 12:57:12 am »
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Obama is a radical Muslim

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 01:31:30 am »
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I knew I was going to do that at some point.  need to start referring to osama as OBL.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 04:19:54 am »
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Well, I only knew a single Palestinian personally so far and she surely didn't identify herself with Bin Laden or his views. Through her I came to know that there are probably only two kinds of Palestinians in the world: the radical Islamist and the secular left-wing nationalist type. (Doesn't mean she was a Fatah supporter though. She thought of the Arafat/Abbas clique as corrupt douchebags. There's certainly a branch of Palestinians who hate Israel, Fatah, and Hamas alike. Tongue Palestinians are also complicated.)
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 06:27:36 am »
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I always assumed Palestinians by and large are not that radically muslim (as evidenced by the popularity of Fatah). Surely, many of them are less tied to Islam than Jmcfst is to Christianity. They do however tend to hate Israel and the US. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 07:00:52 am »
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Some probably do, but Palestinian Muslims aren't a homogeneous group that agrees on everything. It's kind of like asking if American Christians identify with abortion clinic bombers.
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 10:58:28 am »
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Some probably do, but Palestinian Muslims aren't a homogeneous group that agrees on everything. It's kind of like asking if American Christians identify with abortion clinic bombers.

If you look at popular support for abortion clinic bombers among American Christians and compare to popular support among Middle East Muslims for anti-Israel or anti-US terrorism I suspect the former number would be a lot lower. Admittedly, I'm speculating.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 01:52:05 pm »
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Some probably do, but Palestinian Muslims aren't a homogeneous group that agrees on everything. It's kind of like asking if American Christians identify with abortion clinic bombers.

If you look at popular support for abortion clinic bombers among American Christians and compare to popular support among Middle East Muslims for anti-Israel or anti-US terrorism I suspect the former number would be a lot lower. Admittedly, I'm speculating.

To be fair, there is a difference between the reasons people do support bombing Abortion Clinics (moral indignation) and the reason for supporting terrorism ('OMG, they killed my family and bombed my house'). The two things aren't really comparable.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2011, 03:02:24 pm »
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Many undoubtedly do, but Palestinian politics are tremendously complicated. Secular groups like the PFLP probably sympathize to a limited degree with his anti-Westernism and anti-Zionism, but are opposed to the whole Islamist Ideology he stands for. Many more probably see him as a symbol of defiance against Israel and the U.S., but reject Salafist theology.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2011, 03:45:52 pm »
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Some probably do, but Palestinian Muslims aren't a homogeneous group that agrees on everything. It's kind of like asking if American Christians identify with abortion clinic bombers.

If you look at popular support for abortion clinic bombers among American Christians and compare to popular support among Middle East Muslims for anti-Israel or anti-US terrorism I suspect the former number would be a lot lower. Admittedly, I'm speculating.

I said "kind of" - I wasn't saying there was a one to one comparison there.

Also, the question is about OBL's view of Islam, which includes more than just the terrorism stuff.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2011, 04:44:34 pm »
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From a Muslim person I knew who lived in Saudi Arabia in the mid-1990s:

I first heard the name of Usama bin Laden in 1996 at the home of a Saudi friend of mine. He showed me a magazine article featuring bin Laden and said in Saudi Arabia he was referred to as ‘’Sheikh Mujahid” because he was a pious man who was also a warrior for Islam.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2011, 03:31:33 am »
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Some probably do, but Palestinian Muslims aren't a homogeneous group that agrees on everything. It's kind of like asking if American Christians identify with abortion clinic bombers.

If you look at popular support for abortion clinic bombers among American Christians and compare to popular support among Middle East Muslims for anti-Israel or anti-US terrorism I suspect the former number would be a lot lower. Admittedly, I'm speculating.

To be fair, there is a difference between the reasons people do support bombing Abortion Clinics (moral indignation) and the reason for supporting terrorism ('OMG, they killed my family and bombed my house'). The two things aren't really comparable.

How many Muslims have had their houses bombed by the Americans? Compare that share to the share voicing support for bin Laden in opinion polls. Especially in countries like Jordan, Syria or Saudi Arabia and other such countries who have never been to war with the US.

But I agree the two aren't really comparable - that was my point. Tongue

Anyway, polls I've seen indicated that around half the population in several Arab countries supported bin Laden back in the early 2000s. Now it's lower but still a sizeable minority. I doubt support for terrorism for Christianity is at similar levels in the US.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2011, 11:42:04 am »
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Some probably do, but Palestinian Muslims aren't a homogeneous group that agrees on everything. It's kind of like asking if American Christians identify with abortion clinic bombers.

If you look at popular support for abortion clinic bombers among American Christians and compare to popular support among Middle East Muslims for anti-Israel or anti-US terrorism I suspect the former number would be a lot lower. Admittedly, I'm speculating.

To be fair, there is a difference between the reasons people do support bombing Abortion Clinics (moral indignation) and the reason for supporting terrorism ('OMG, they killed my family and bombed my house'). The two things aren't really comparable.

How many Muslims have had their houses bombed by the Americans? Compare that share to the share voicing support for bin Laden in opinion polls. Especially in countries like Jordan, Syria or Saudi Arabia and other such countries who have never been to war with the US.

But I agree the two aren't really comparable - that was my point. Tongue

Anyway, polls I've seen indicated that around half the population in several Arab countries supported bin Laden back in the early 2000s. Now it's lower but still a sizeable minority. I doubt support for terrorism for Christianity is at similar levels in the US.
Muslims have much more solidarity than Westerns generally are. One of the reasons there are terrorists from so many countries.
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2011, 07:29:42 pm »
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Some do.  Most don't. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2011, 07:31:25 pm »
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Venezuela also condemned the killing of bin Laden but it's pretty inane to argue that Hugo Chavez is an Islamist or agreed with bin Laden on most things.
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2011, 12:24:49 am »
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Some do.  Most don't. 
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2011, 05:26:40 pm »
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You can't say this in a blunt yes/no question.

That being said, Palestinian Muslims are more radical than most others because they're silently being cut apart and losing their nation to illegal Israeli settlements, leaving the Palestinians still alive stuck in small pockets. Therefore, they turn to drastic measures.
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