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« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2011, 04:10:07 am »
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What is the sum of state support for Camden?

In my experience, people know that NJ's cities have areas of concentrated poverty and it doesn't make sense to abandon the kids there to whatever their inadequate rateables support. People who disagree, vote Republican. People who don't disagree but worry about taxes, are much more fixated on high property taxes, of which zero goes to Camden.
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« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2011, 08:19:06 am »
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What is the sum of state support for Camden?

In my experience, people know that NJ's cities have areas of concentrated poverty and it doesn't make sense to abandon the kids there to whatever their inadequate rateables support. People who disagree, vote Republican. People who don't disagree but worry about taxes, are much more fixated on high property taxes, of which zero goes to Camden.

Camden schools are "Abbott District" schools, which means, due to Camden's inability to fund them properly, the state picks up the tab until spending per student is up to the level of the most affluent school districts. As such, Camden spends $3,000 more student than the average NJ public school, all funded by taxpayers elsewhere in the state. There has been, of course, absolutely no connection between above-average school funding and student performance in Abbott Districts, which means -- obviously -- that merely throwing money at the problem won't help. But since that's all the State Supreme Court cares about -- funding -- well ...

Further, the Camden PD and school system were in such neglected shape that they were taken over, management-wise, by the State of New Jersey. That's slated to end in 2012, unless there's an extension.

You could easily make the argument that everyone in NJ pays higher property taxes because Camden is in such terrible shape -- much of it the fault of former mayors, a string of which have gone to prison. It's not a dying town, it's a dead one. Municipal aid for Camden is high, so therefore, municipal aid for other towns is lower because of it. And when there's low municipal aid, of course, there's higher property taxes.
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« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2011, 10:06:34 am »
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What is the sum of state support for Camden?

In my experience, people know that NJ's cities have areas of concentrated poverty and it doesn't make sense to abandon the kids there to whatever their inadequate rateables support. People who disagree, vote Republican. People who don't disagree but worry about taxes, are much more fixated on high property taxes, of which zero goes to Camden.

$69 million.

Here a full chart on transitional aid.

http://www.nj.gov/dca/lgs/muniaid/10_aid/cy2010_transitional_aid_to_localities.htm



This actually goes beyond Abbotts and schooling. Now we are paying for their basic daily operations on top of that.
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« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2011, 10:38:18 am »
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$69 million.

$8.50/person. Higher for more affluent people and families. Got it.

Many of those suburban Democrats are paying five figures in local property taxes by comparison.
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« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2011, 01:33:45 pm »
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Getting this thread back on track:

Monmouth U/NJ Press Media
Approve: 50%
Disapprove: 41%

That's a sharp turnaround from their previous poll in May, which showed Christie underwater.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/christies-job-approval-rating-climbs-to-50-percent-for-first-time

http://www.politickernj.com/50179/monmouth-poll-christie-job-approval-48
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« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2011, 02:36:40 pm »
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Getting this thread back on track:

Monmouth U/NJ Press Media
Approve: 50%
Disapprove: 41%

That's a sharp turnaround from their previous poll in May, which showed Christie underwater.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/christies-job-approval-rating-climbs-to-50-percent-for-first-time

http://www.politickernj.com/50179/monmouth-poll-christie-job-approval-48


That's what I mentioned a few days ago before krazen and brittain went off about Camden.  Tongue
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« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2011, 03:15:11 pm »
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Getting this thread back on track:

Monmouth U/NJ Press Media
Approve: 50%
Disapprove: 41%

That's a sharp turnaround from their previous poll in May, which showed Christie underwater.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/christies-job-approval-rating-climbs-to-50-percent-for-first-time

http://www.politickernj.com/50179/monmouth-poll-christie-job-approval-48


That's what I mentioned a few days ago before krazen and brittain went off about Camden.  Tongue

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« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2011, 03:27:37 pm »
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$69 million.

$8.50/person. Higher for more affluent people and families. Got it.

Many of those suburban Democrats are paying five figures in local property taxes by comparison.

Yes, that is certainly true.

In order to win a majority in the legislature, or at least a house in the legislature, the GOP will have to win at least 1 of those suburban Democratic districts.

In 2003 of course the Democrats were able to gain legislative seats despite McGreevey's horrid approvals. Christie's approvals are much higher than that; of course the Democrats have a built in advantage. In my view he will be easily re-elected at approvals like this but it will have some difficulty coattailing down to other Republicans.
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« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2011, 07:52:06 am »
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http://www.politickernj.com/51601/christie-approval-numbers-highest-level-ever-according-new-poll

The number is even higher among registered voters 55 percent of whom give the governor a favorable rating versus just 37 percent who are unimpressed with the job Christie is doing.


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« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2011, 12:07:16 pm »
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Quinnipiac has a 58-38 approval.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1299.xml?ReleaseID=1660
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« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2011, 12:24:26 pm »
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Good numbers. Will Christie run for President?HuhHuh!!!!?
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« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2011, 12:28:16 pm »
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Not a word from the haters. Shocking.
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« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2011, 12:31:38 pm »
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Good numbers. Will Christie run for President?HuhHuh!!!!?

haha right? It probably actually has a lot to do with all that President nonsense. We weren't too fond of it here on the homefront, he may have gotten a boost from not running. I'll have to read through the poll to see if there's anything, but I wouldn't be surprised at this point if that had a lot to do with it.
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« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2011, 12:50:02 pm »
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Good numbers. Will Christie run for President?HuhHuh!!!!?

haha right? It probably actually has a lot to do with all that President nonsense. We weren't too fond of it here on the homefront, he may have gotten a boost from not running. I'll have to read through the poll to see if there's anything, but I wouldn't be surprised at this point if that had a lot to do with it.

I bet that's why, too.
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« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2011, 03:21:08 pm »
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Not a word from the haters. Shocking.

He is fat.
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« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2011, 03:30:14 pm »
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more like livin' large
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« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2011, 03:35:26 pm »
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Not a word from the haters. Shocking.

He is fat.

We can tell you are quite heavy on intellect of course. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2011, 04:26:08 pm »
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Was it Phil that once unironically referred to Christie as "America's Governor"? That sounds more like a Naso-ism, but my reasoning is it would have been applied to Rick Perry or something instead if he was the author.
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« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2011, 07:13:35 pm »
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Sadly, most of the good governors were term-limited or defeated in 2010 as collateral damage against Republicans like Evan Bayh and Blanche Lincoln.
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« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2011, 08:29:48 pm »
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wait till spring and the next episode of school district budget wars
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« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2011, 09:07:03 pm »
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wait till spring and the next episode of school district budget wars

Who cares about next spring? State legislative elections are in three weeks.
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« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2011, 09:09:56 pm »
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We'll see how long it actually holds. Not that it really matters, he still has a terrible attitude for someone who is running a state, he's too angry.
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« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2011, 12:07:50 am »
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wait till spring and the next episode of school district budget wars

Yeah, I remember hearing this line last year. How did that work out?
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« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2011, 12:42:42 pm »
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We'll see how long it actually holds. Not that it really matters, he still has a terrible attitude for someone who is running a state, he's too angry.

56% of New Jersey begs to differ.
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« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2011, 12:50:45 pm »
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We'll see how long it actually holds. Not that it really matters, he still has a terrible attitude for someone who is running a state, he's too angry.

Isn't that how most people in New Jersey are lol?
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