John Adams and Thomas Jefferson at the Constitutional Convention

[Frodo]

We all know the results of that intense closed-door debate in Philadelphia in September 1787.  If John Adams and Thomas Jefferson had been present as participants there instead of in Europe, how differently would the Constitution have turned out?  

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Doubt if there would be any significant differences if Adams had been there.  The constitution as adopted was largely in line with Adams' views on constitutions.  If Jefferson had been there, there might have been more of a push to include a Bill of Rights in the version of the Constitution sent to the States, but it is doubtful that inclusion or rejection would have affected ratification or the proposing of a Bill of Rights if it had not been in the ratified constitution.  The only real effect of an integral Bill of Rights would likely be that the XXVIIth amendment would never have been sent to the States to be finally adopted in 1992, some 203 years after being sent to the States.

[The Mikado]

Doubt if there would be any significant differences if Adams had been there.  The constitution as adopted was largely in line with Adams' views on constitutions.  If Jefferson had been there, there might have been more of a push to include a Bill of Rights in the version of the Constitution sent to the States, but it is doubtful that inclusion or rejection would have affected ratification or the proposing of a Bill of Rights if it had not been in the ratified constitution.  The only real effect of an integral Bill of Rights would likely be that the XXVIIth amendment would never have been sent to the States to be finally adopted in 1992, some 203 years after being sent to the States.

Wouldn't an integral Bill of Rights have likely contained all 12 of Madison's originals, rather than the 10 that passed?  So, them plus the 27th plus the failed proposed one on the size of Congressional districts?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Wouldn't an integral Bill of Rights have likely contained all 12 of Madison's originals, rather than the 10 that passed?  So, them plus the 27th plus the failed proposed one on the size of Congressional districts?

Article the First and the XXVIIth Amendment were included in Madison's proposal because like the Bill of Rights, one or more of the State conventions that ratified the Constitution had recommended them.  His proposal was therefore not something that originated from him ab initio, but a cobbling together of the various proposals made by State conventions.  Without a Bill of Rights to be attached to, I'm doubtful that the First Congress would have sent them to the States.