The Office of Former President & Senator Polnut - Deregistration

[windjammer]

Well,
I don't say that a lot. But, you're a really great senator Polnut. I hope you will run for reelection.

But I don't understand why there are 2 leftwing parties because you, Cranberry, TNF and Cynic basically almost stand together.

So Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy?

But really, you're really a good senator, your ecology bill is really good!

[windjammer]

It's my patriotic duty to endorse Polnut.

I didn't know you lived in Australia .

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Best of luck polnut.

[windjammer]

I would definitely like to see windjammer's calculation of said 40%.

Fine, I see no problems explaining myself.

By a vote of 5-4 this has passed the senate and is sent to the president for executive action

Aye: bore, Cranberry, BK, SWE, Cris

Nay: TNF, Windjammer, Lief, Yankee

Not Voting: Polnut

By a vote of 5-3 this resolution has passed the senate

Aye: Yankee, SWE, Cranberry, Bore, Cris

Nay: TNF, Lief, Windjammer

Not Voting: Polnut, Bacon King

By a margin of 3-4-3 this has failed:

Aye: Cris, Windjammer, Lief

Nay: TNF, Yankee, Polnut, SWE

Abstain: Bore, Cranberry, Bacon King

By a vote of 9-0 this bill has passed the senate and is sent to the president for executive action

Aye: Bore, Polnut, TNF, Yankee, SWE, Lief, Windjammer, Cris, Cranberry

Not Voting: BK

By a vote of 0-8 this amendment has failed to pass the senate

Nay: TNF, Cranberry, SWE, Lief, Bore, Windjammer, Polnut, Cris

Not Voting: Yankee, BK

By a vote of 2-4 this amendment has failed the senate:

Aye: Bore, Cris

Nay: Windjammer, Yankee, TNF, Lief

Not Voting: Bacon King, Polnut, Cranberry, SWE

By a vote of 5-2 cranberry's amendment has been adopted

Aye: bore, Cris, Cranberry, TNF, SWE

Nay: Windjammer, Lief

Not Voting: Polnut, Yankee, BK

By a vote of 8-0 this bill has passed the senate and is sent to the president for executive action:

Aye: TNF, Yankee, SWE, Bore, Cris, Lief, Polnut, Windjammer

Not Voting: BK, Cranberry

By a vote of 4-4 (Cranberries vote was a little too late), the veto override has failed, and, consequently, the bill has failed.

Aye: TNF, Windjammer, Lief, SWE

Nay: Yankee, Cris, Bore, Polnut

Not Voting: BK, Cranberry

By a vote of 5-3 this bill has passed the senate and is sent to the president for executive action

Aye: TNF, SWE, Lief, Windjammer, Cranberry

Nay: Bore, Yankee, Cris

Not Voting: BK, Polnut

By a vote of 9-0 this bill has passed and is sent to the president for executive action:

Aye: Cranberry, Polnut, Lief, Yankee, TNF, bore, Cris, SWE, windjammer

Not Voting: BK

By a vote of 7-0 this bill has passed

Aye: Bore, SWE, TNF, Yankee, Cris, Windjammer, Cranberry

Not Voting; Polnut, BK, Lief

By a vote of 10-0 this bill has passed the senate and is sent to the president for executive action

Aye: Polnut, BK, TNF, Bore, Yankee, Cris, Cranberry, Windjammer, Lief, SWE

By a vote of 6-2 this has passed the senate and is sent to the president for executive action

Aye: Bore, Polnut, Yankee, Windjammer, Cris, Cranberry

Nay: TNF, Lief

Not Voting: BK, SWE

Oops, I thought I'd already closed this.

By a vote of 7-2 this amendment has failed

Aye: TNF, Lief

Nay: Bore, Yankee, Polnut, Cris, Cranberry, Windjammer, SWE

Not Voting: BK

By a vote of 7-1 windjammer's amendment has been passed

Aye: Cris, SWE, Yankee, Bore, Lief, Windjammer, Cranberry

Nay: TNF

Not Voting: Polnut, BK

By a vote of 5-0 Bore's amendment has been adopted

Aye: Bore, SWE, Yankee, Cris, Windjammer

Senators have 36 hours to object to windjammer's amendment

By a vote of 7-1 Cris's amendment has been adopted

Aye: Bore, Yankee, SWE, Windjammer, Cris, Cranberry, Lief

Nay: TNF

Not Voting: Polnut, BK

By a vote of 4-2-2 the amendment has been adopted

Aye: Bore, Yankee, Cris, Cranberry

Nay: TNF, Lief

Abstain: Windjammer, SWE

Not Voting: BK, Polnut

By a vote of 5-2-1 TNF's amendment has been adopted

Aye: Bore, Lief, SWE, TNF, Cranberry

Nay: Yankee, Cris

Abstain: Windjammer

Not Voting: BK, Polnut

(Polnut's vote was too late)

By a vote of 4-2-1 bore's amendment has passed

Aye: Bore, Cranberry, Lief, TNF

Nay: Yankee, Windjammer

Abstain: Cris

Not Voting: SWE, BK, Polnut

By a vote of 6-1-1 windjammer has become sponsor of this bill:

Aye: Bore, Cranberry, Yankee, Lief, Windjammer, Cris

Nay: TNF

Abstain: SWE

Not Voting: BK, Polnut

By a vote of 5-1 windjammer's amendment has been adopted

Aye: Bore, Cranberry, Cris, Yankee, Windjammer

Nay: TNF

Not Voting: Polnut, SWE, Lief, BK


Senators a vote is now open on windjammer assuming sponsorship, please vote aye nay or abstain

By a vote of 6-1-1 Yankee's amendment has been adopted

Aye: Bore, Windjammer, Yankee, Cris, SWE, Cranberry

Nay: TNF

Abstain: Lief

Not Voting: Polnut, BK


Senators have 36 hour to object to windjammer's amendment

By a vote of 4-1 Cris's amendment has passed

Aye: Bore, Cranberry, Cris, Windjammer

Nay: TNF

Not Voting: Polnut, Bacon King, Yankee, Lief, SWE

Maxwell, 25 votes have been casted. Oh my bad, I was wrong about Polnut's activity score. This isn't 40% but 36%. My apology.



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[windjammer]

Did any occur when any of these Senators were on LOAs or gave a legitimate reason for their absences?  If so, those objectibely shouldn't be counted against him in your scoring or listed in your post.  For example, I recall you getting up in arms because BK missed some votes due to being offline during Thanksgiving.  I'd hope we can agree that it is silly to criticize someone for missing votes in Atlasia because they were spending a holiday with their loved ones. 

I also would like to know how you count someone voting "abstain" because that is very different than missing a vote.

Someone voting Abstain has his vote counted because he voted. There is a difference between "Non Voting' and 'Abstain".

Well, I actually have to disagree, he didn't take a leave of absence BK and his impeachment trial was deserved. And considering how his activity score is (less than 20%), I don't regret at all having voted to impeach him.

Only 2 senators have been on Leave of Absence in February: Cranberry and SWE. I have always chosen not to count the LOA because it would be "unfair" to those who don't take a LOA. I could see a lot of abuses, I recall Nappy taking a LOA until the end of his term for example. So the 2 scores (Cris counting the LOA) is a better idea.

[windjammer]

Alright, since the proper thread was locked before I could say my piece, let me say it here:

I believe that the attacks on Polnut from certain elements of Atlasia are completely unacceptable and unfounded. Before going on, I'd like to reiterate the point I made in the BK controversy: Atlasia is a game, not real life politics. Some posters, especially our older ones like BK and Polnut, have actual lives to live. They have jobs. They have houses. Hell, some even have girlfriends or boyfriends. Not all of us are kids who just started college and have nothing better to do with our lives than pretend we're Senators or presidents or whatever. It's easy to forget that there are actual, real life people with actual, real life issues that have more to do than idle on IRC all day and play video games.

Onto the next point: Part of the reason that this happens is because Cris and Windjammer's tracker hold procedural votes at the same weight as a final vote on the actual legislation itself. Our Senators do not distinguish a vote on an amendment with a bill. Out of the 16 of 25 votes Polnut has missed, nine have been votes on adopting amendments before the final bill or a re-adoption of sponsorship (not to mention that one of those votes was late). In five of those threads, he had substantial participation in debate (that is, something more than "I support this because X said so). That leaves four actual votes where he was actually inactive.

All in all, this reminds me of another controversy that I was personally involved in during the beginning of my career. You all remember the Northeast in September - Matt started dealing with some real life issues (that I won't get into because I trust him enough), and his activity dropped off a cliff. Naturally, the Labor aristocracy decided to seize the opportunity and tried to tie me to this problem of inactivity. However, anyone who works with me knows that I am usually a man of conciseness - unless I'm motivated (like I am now), I'll usually get my point across, and leave it at that. This was an obviously desperate dig at my activity, and windjammer's defense of it seems like a desperate attempt to defend a system that needed work.

Now, anyone who has dealt with me knows that I am a straight-shooter. Some have been relatively deserved , and others... well... have been misguided. I've even called out my most famous recruit because I felt like he was trying to hurt TPP and some of my goals. I'm still slightly sore from the way Bacon King has been treated, but at least he has legitimate inactivity concerns. Polnut, meanwhile, has managed to put a lot of thought into his debates and actually proven that he pays attention to Atlasia, which I don't believe should be criticized because he didn't participate or debate on four votes. I'd like to also demonstrate my disappointment with Griffin, and while I understand and sympathize with his instinct to defend his fellow party member, you gotta admit when your friends fyck up - especially when certain members of the Senate simply are there for the "aye" or "nay". I'm disappointed that windjammer has decided to defend his tracker that needed work as accurate, and I'm disappointed that Griffin is going along with it and defending it.

*Please, tell me *how* I have attacked Polnut on this forum. I just posted a score that was saying how many votes every senator has missed in February.
* I never said my tracker didn't need to be improved. I just don't understand the tantrum you and some friends launched. I mean, in order to measure activity, one of the first things to do is to determine how many votes were missed. I was going to post some other things, like how many amendments have been introduced etc.
* You want to talk about Bacon king. You're still angry by my AYE vote for his automatic impeachment trial? I don't regret it. He hasn't posted a LOA, he needed to be impeached. And considering how active he is, I was just right.

[windjammer]

I'm sorry to hear that.
Take care of yourself.