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« Reply #75 on: May 24, 2011, 10:31:33 PM »

I find it very silly that we continue to discuss the up-coming American election with such interest. While we here are debating whether or not to switch from one party representing capitalism and all its worst excesses to the other representing capitalism and all its worst excesses plus a healthy dose of neo-Confederate racism and bigotry, real progress and a glimpse of this country's and the world's future is occurring in Russia! Though harsh censorship, scare campaigns and in-fighting have temporarily retarded the growth of our own communist movement, parties across Europe are making real gains. The Communists in Germany gained some 10% at the last election! I am just hopeful that workers across the continent (and hopefully one day on our own shores) continue to turn to Marxism, instead of that incipient brand of thug politics preached by that Mussolini fellow. Luckily I think only the Italians are depraved enough to elect a couple of blackshirted criminals to be in charge of their country.

Certainly you are a fool, a Red provocateur, or both.  We do have a real choice in this election, and that choice is "Fighting Bob".  I, for one, look forward to casting my ballot for real, strong, progressive action.
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« Reply #76 on: May 25, 2011, 09:50:17 AM »

I try not to underestimate the issue with housing I assure you. Slums are slums and I would not wish them on anyone. The best bet in Glasgow is for the Corporation to get the expansion to it's boundaries it desperately needs, build new homes and reduce the population in the city. Rich and poor alike live in tenements; it should be very easy to retain the housing stock by provide larger dwellings inside and introduce better plumbing. However it may not be of benefit to move a shipyard worker away from the docks and ask him by tram or by train to travel for an hour to work each day. It may cause some working men to stay, rather than move with their families.

Yes, I understand that the situation in Glasgow is perhaps the worst in the country as consequence of the tendency to build those huge tenements which are then left in a state of utter disrepair in the working class districts of the city; in some ways I find them even more horrific than the back-to-back courts that dominate industrial cities in England. It is perhaps no coincidence that Mr Wheatley is a Glasgow MP.

On another point, one more electoral, I wonder how safe Mr Asquith is at Paisley? His majority is tiny and he has never been the type to nurse a constituency (another contrast between him and Mr Lloyd George, of course. As a former constituent of his I can confirm that he may well have the largest personal vote in the country. I would not be surprised if Caernarvon Boroughs were to return a Conservative MP were he to retire as a very high proportion of the electorate now live in the seaside town of Llandudno) as we all saw when he lost in Fife a few years ago.

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I don't think that's at all likely. Consider the extent to which many Conservatives have demonised him over the years and the fact that he has devoted so much of his life to building up Labour as the party of government it now is. He could never lead the Party into bed with Baldwin, and he could never leave the Party; to do so would break him.
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« Reply #77 on: May 25, 2011, 11:40:00 AM »


On another point, one more electoral, I wonder how safe Mr Asquith is at Paisley? His majority is tiny and he has never been the type to nurse a constituency (another contrast between him and Mr Lloyd George, of course. As a former constituent of his I can confirm that he may well have the largest personal vote in the country. I would not be surprised if Caernarvon Boroughs were to return a Conservative MP were he to retire as a very high proportion of the electorate now live in the seaside town of Llandudno) as we all saw when he lost in Fife a few years ago.

While I would like to think Mr Asquith should be returned in Paisley, if anything now that Labour are in government the Labour movement and the party itself has now been legitimised. The Liberals have been loosing touch with every bloc of voter they once counted upon in Scotland since the War. Labour are very well placed indeed to capitalise on that and there is no reason why a burgh such as Paisley should hold out against a Labour surge. But I cannot imagine the Liberals should fall too hard across Britain, certainly they should remain above 100-120 seats and will no doubt be king makers at the next election. I am losing my patience with them, but perhaps in a Britain of three parties on a level pegging I have more to gain personally by sticking with them. However should, as some commentators suggest, they be all but wiped out then the Conservatives and Unionists will be a more comfortable fit.

Curiously, I was at a debate organised by Glasgow University students yesterday and you will never believe what one of them said. I forget his name, but he was arguing about Home Rule for Scotland and the need for a dedicated 'National Scottish' party to represent that interest. He even suggested that Scotland should seek the status of a Dominion within the Empire. I was astounded. But then again, most universities are filled with young men who were boys during the War. I'm young too, but I served. Not such a great distance in age between myself and the students but such a chasm in our worldview. Frightening.
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« Reply #78 on: May 25, 2011, 01:03:38 PM »

I find it very silly that we continue to discuss the up-coming American election with such interest. While we here are debating whether or not to switch from one party representing capitalism and all its worst excesses to the other representing capitalism and all its worst excesses plus a healthy dose of neo-Confederate racism and bigotry, real progress and a glimpse of this country's and the world's future is occurring in Russia! Though harsh censorship, scare campaigns and in-fighting have temporarily retarded the growth of our own communist movement, parties across Europe are making real gains. The Communists in Germany gained some 10% at the last election! I am just hopeful that workers across the continent (and hopefully one day on our own shores) continue to turn to Marxism, instead of that incipient brand of thug politics preached by that Mussolini fellow. Luckily I think only the Italians are depraved enough to elect a couple of blackshirted criminals to be in charge of their country.

Certainly you are a fool, a Red provocateur, or both.  We do have a real choice in this election, and that choice is "Fighting Bob".  I, for one, look forward to casting my ballot for real, strong, progressive action.

Dear Lord, have you lost your senses? Anyway, I wonder how such a dangerous demagogue like this whole Mr. La Follette entered such a distinguished body like the United States Senate in first place. This man does not belong to this noble place. He's dangerous radical and must be stopped.

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« Reply #79 on: May 25, 2011, 02:45:26 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2011, 04:30:15 PM by feeblepizza »

Gentlemen, how would you grade my projections for the upcoming election?



President Coolidge - 308 collegiate votes
Mr. Davis - 183 collegiate votes
Sen. LaFollette - 40 collegiate votes

I expect Senator LaFollette to do well in the states won by Roosevelt in 1912, but to gain collegiate votes only in the West, Minnesota, and his native Wisconsin.
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« Reply #80 on: May 25, 2011, 03:58:53 PM »

Gentlemen, how would you grade my projections for the upcoming election?



President Coolidge - 308 collegiate votes
Mr. Davis - 183 collegiate votes
Sen. LaFollette - 40 collegiate votes

I expect Senator LaFollette to do well in the states won by Roosevelt in 1912, but to gain collegiate votes only in the West, Minnesota, and his native Wisconsin.

No, no, no. Despite all his poor judgements, Mr. Roosevelt was at least a true gentleman. This is impossible to seriously compare him to a demagogue like Mr. La Follette.
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« Reply #81 on: May 25, 2011, 04:30:40 PM »

Gentlemen, how would you grade my projections for the upcoming election?



President Coolidge - 308 collegiate votes
Mr. Davis - 183 collegiate votes
Sen. LaFollette - 40 collegiate votes

I expect Senator LaFollette to do well in the states won by Roosevelt in 1912, but to gain collegiate votes only in the West, Minnesota, and his native Wisconsin.

No, no, no. Despite all his poor judgements, Mr. Roosevelt was at least a true gentleman. This is impossible to seriously compare him to a demagogue like Mr. La Follette.
<btw, New Mexico is supposed to be GOP>
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« Reply #82 on: May 25, 2011, 05:07:59 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2011, 05:20:19 PM by Lief »

While I admire the reforms that Governor LaFollette has championed, and indeed if our country had some sort of electoral system that allowed one to cast a second preference, he would surely have mine, progressive reformism has been a failure. We are in a period of intense revolutionary potential and it would be folly to throw this away by supporting a Republican, even if he does style himself a "progressive." True progress will only be made through a revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist system.
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« Reply #83 on: May 25, 2011, 05:17:50 PM »

I'm an ardent supporter of Governor LaFollette's reform agenda. With the threat of the abomination that is socialism running high in Europe, only a reformer can prevent the working classes from rushing head forward into the wall of Bolshevism. With Russia's revolution increasingly looking like soemthing that won't vanish before the end of the decade, the last thing this world needs is yet another peripheral nation with great potential falling into the arms of the ghosts of the despicable jew Marx.

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« Reply #84 on: May 25, 2011, 05:22:41 PM »

I'm an ardent supporter of Governor LaFollette's reform agenda. With the threat of the abomination that is socialism running high in Europe, only a reformer can prevent the working classes from rushing head forward into the wall of Bolshevism. With Russia's revolution increasingly looking like soemthing that won't vanish before the end of the decade, the last thing this world needs is yet another peripheral nation with great potential falling into the arms of the ghosts of the despicable jew Marx.

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Hm, maybe, just maybe, Mr. La Follette is a honest man, but foolish one as well, sadly. Doesn't he realize that he's about to carry a socialist meance to the White House on his back?
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« Reply #85 on: May 25, 2011, 05:28:26 PM »

Gentlemen, how would you grade my projections for the upcoming election?



President Coolidge - 308 collegiate votes
Mr. Davis - 183 collegiate votes
Sen. LaFollette - 40 collegiate votes

I expect Senator LaFollette to do well in the states won by Roosevelt in 1912, but to gain collegiate votes only in the West, Minnesota, and his native Wisconsin.

Lord afleitch, may I ask since when towel boys are not only allowed to talk to the gentlemen, but also to show them their drawings?
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« Reply #86 on: May 25, 2011, 06:59:34 PM »

In the words of immortal Winfield: my participation shall continue.
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« Reply #87 on: May 25, 2011, 07:19:05 PM »

War stories, anyone?

I was still in training in the Fall of 1918, when I got out, the war was over before we reached France.  They sent me to the Siberian intervention instead.  I don't have too terribly much to say: we didn't see much combat, but it was the coldest and most miserable and lonely days of my life.  The taiga is endless.  Quite a few of my companions died, not from hostile fire, but from the flu (though we were hardly alone in that).  Couple that with the damn Japanese wanting us to attack, attack, attack, when that clearly wasn't in our mission.
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« Reply #88 on: May 25, 2011, 07:25:25 PM »

There was a lot of discontent among my Flemish troops during the war. (I served as a Major in the Belgian army in the Ypres Salient) Many seemed to think their fellow countrymen from the Brussels and Wallonia areas were unduly advantaged. I do hope this won't become an issue in Belgian politics in the near future.
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« Reply #89 on: May 26, 2011, 12:56:41 AM »

I will most certainly vote for the honorable Senator LaFollette if I get the chance, but I can't guarantee that'll be happening if I'm in the same state election day I am most of the time. I am so in love with these speakeasies! This sh**t they're serving is a hell of a lot harder than anything that we got while it was legal, plus all the burlesque dancers now! Meh, why even vote to try to abolish this, Prohibition might be an abomination, but it makes everything all the more fun!
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« Reply #90 on: May 26, 2011, 02:35:22 AM »

Just don't ask what the alcohol you're drinking is made out of.  While it does improve close to the Canadian border (and, I suppose, the other border), the homemade stuff can be quite hazardous to your health.  I've heard horror stories of "bathtub gin" that turned out to be turpentine.
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« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2011, 04:39:39 AM »

Speakeasies, you say?  It seems like that's all we have around here since the railroads went bust or moved their interest elsewhere.  It's such a shame to see the fledgeling city of Las Vegas in such a spirited decline, and see it become a haven for crime and moral turpitude.  Though it could be worse; I can only imagine what things would be like if gambling were permitted once again.

There's talk of construction of a high-way to Los Angeles, and perhaps even the damming of the Colorado, although I'm doubtful that either of these will come to fruition.  I'm afraid to say that this town has reached a terminal decline.
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« Reply #92 on: May 26, 2011, 04:53:26 AM »


I'm 26 now. Was 17 when war broke out and as eager as I was I went straight to the recruitment office. At that time they could afford to be a little picky and on account of my bad eyesight I was passed up. I got a clerking job with the government in Glasgow and managed to stay there until late 1916 when things were looking so grim the army was happy to take anyone. I ended up working behind the trenches as a bicycle courier. It wasn't a combat role but I had my gun at all times. We were supposed to be on the lookout for Germans and I daresay, deserters from our own side. I was nifty on that bicycle, even through the mud which was like a bog in the summer and like rock during the winter but there were mines everywhere. I don't really like to talk about it much as everyone I mention it to seems to think I had it a little easy. I suppose they are right.
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« Reply #93 on: May 26, 2011, 07:39:34 PM »

I saw an interesting newsreel about Mustafa Kemal, the "Ataturk," and his reforms in Turkey.  As you may be aware, I've always been something of a Turcophile, and the destruction of the Turkish Empire during the recent unpleasantness was not a condition I smiled on, so seeing Mustafa Kemal repel Greek aggression and save Izmir from the terrible fate of becoming "Smyrna" once again was a bright spot in recent history for me.  This Ataturk insists on strict laicite (apologies to my French brethren, the telegraph cannot render the diacritical marks properly) to the point of banning ladies' headscarves.  I see more headscarves on the streets of Washington than you can apparently find in the ancient alleys of Istanbul today!  What say you?  I think that, perhaps, the suppression of ancient traditions for no other sake than that they appear backwards simply pointlessly aggravates people.  Let them wear their headscarves if they like, and fix the material circumstances that have left the Turk backwards, not their outward appearances.  If the Turks want to wear picturesque headscarves and fezzes, let them!  It makes Istanbul or Ankara seem more authentic to the tourists.
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« Reply #94 on: May 26, 2011, 09:22:21 PM »

While I applaud Mr. Ataturk's courageous reforms, aiming at modernizing what was, for a long time, a sick man of Europe, there's one, tiny perhaps, thing I cannot forgive him. I mean his reform of Turkish language by replacing Arabic alphabet with Latin one.

This is just a crime against aesthetics, won't you agree?
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« Reply #95 on: May 26, 2011, 09:28:22 PM »

Just don't ask what the alcohol you're drinking is made out of.  While it does improve close to the Canadian border (and, I suppose, the other border), the homemade stuff can be quite hazardous to your health.  I've heard horror stories of "bathtub gin" that turned out to be turpentine.

I've never heard of anyone having trouble bring in medicinal quantities over any of the St. Clair ferries.  Of course if you get over eager or are trying to bring it in for resale you can have a problem. But proper gentlemen such as ourselves would never do such a thing.
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« Reply #96 on: May 26, 2011, 11:03:13 PM »

How pathetic can it get that alcohol is being freely sold in the capital of the former Ottoman Empire and we have to smuggle it into our speakeasies here?
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« Reply #97 on: May 27, 2011, 06:59:52 AM »
« Edited: May 27, 2011, 07:01:35 AM by afleitch »

The Atlas Gentleman's Social Club of Psephology and Cartography 1933

You lucky dogs you!

The Chicago World's Fair opens today which sounds super but Mr Roosevelt is also due to sign the Federal Securities Act. Which to some is a pity; my friends consider it to be more state intervention in business. Given the fact that some of us are still recovering from the Crash perhaps their concern is misguided. What irks me greatly is that the same friends seem to have no problem at all with Herr Hitler's state intervention; one was almost gleeful earlier this month when Germany banned trade unions. I can't abide that rot of a man. Sure, there is something to be said about Mussolini's fascism which seems to be working well for Italy, but Herr Hitler has delusions of grandeur that go far beyond simply trying to boost the German economy. The Times this morning reported on a law to introduce sterilisation. Horrid.

Over here, the National Government appears to be doing rather well. I don't expect an election for a few years though I am concerned about Mr MacDonalds health. Hey ho.

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« Reply #98 on: May 27, 2011, 09:18:26 AM »

I wouldn't read into Mr. Hitler's grandstanding to any great extent.  He simply rode in on a wave of Populism, and we all know how fleeting and fickle such governments are; especially with the Weimar Constitution in place.  Have no fear; his more odious opinions are merely hot air, and mark my words, by the end of this decade we'll have even forgotten his name.
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« Reply #99 on: May 27, 2011, 10:02:43 AM »
« Edited: May 31, 2011, 08:59:17 AM by Llaf Cadw »

My opinions on the so-called National Government are sufficiently known (and sufficiently unprintable) that there is no need to repeat them, except (once again) to rail against the evil of Means Test (which has caused great misery to members of my own family) and to their lamentable failure to do anything to help out the industrial districts. There are places that I know well where registered unemployment is upwards of seventy five per cent (I do not make this figure up) and what has this so-called National Government done to help? Nothing. That this government is technically (though only technically) headed by Ramsay MacDonald adds a further layer of insult onto the mountainous pile of injury. Did he come into politics in order to betray the cause of the working class, to act as a figleaf for Baldwin? The man is a traitor and a coward and the fact that he is clearly losing is mind is no surprise. I for one hope that he runs again at Seaham at the next election; because if he does he will surely be defeated by a wide margin.

Things are not improved by the sad state of the Party to which I remain a member; Mr Lansbury is a good man but has been a poor leader. He seems to be more interested in promoting peace abroad - an honourable ambition but one which he cannot achieve as Leader of the Opposition - than fighting on the domestic front. We need a stronger leader, one more in tune with the Unions. Perhaps Ernest Bevin himself could be convinced to lead the Labour Party? Unlikely I suspect - he has far more power and influence at the T&G than he would on the opposition benches - but it is a nice thought. The situation is better in Wales where the power of the Fed has created a remarkably strong collection of MPs - notably Nye - and local authorities all fighting for the cause of the people that they represent, to say nothing of effective local union leaders like Mr Griffiths and Mr Deakin.

Still, at least we have a Socialist Party and a Labour Movement in Britain. Abroad the situation is bleak. The destruction of our comrades in the SPD and of the German Trade Unions at the hands of the fascist menace is catastrophic news, much the worst that I have heard since the War.
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