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« on: August 16, 2015, 10:15:24 pm »
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Pretend it's the summer prior to elections 1960-2012. Try to pretend you don't know the outcome and you are predicting the election results. What would you predict?

Discuss with maps.

I'll go first:

1960:
Richard Nixon (R) 52% 288 EV
John F. Kennedy (D) 47% 249 EV


1964:
Lyndon B. Johnson (D) 57% 395 EV
Barry Goldwater (R) 42% 143 EV


1968:
Richard Nixon (R) 55% 337 EV
Hubert Humphrey (D) 42% 191 EV
George Wallace (I) 3% 10 EV


1972:
Richard Nixon (R) 59% 440 EV
George McGovern (D) 40% 98 EV


1976:
Gerald R. Ford (R) 51% 295 EV
Jimmy Carter (D) 48% 243 EV


1980:
Ronald Reagan (R) 58% 475 EV
Jimmy Carter (D) 41% 63 EV


1984:
Ronald Reagan (R) 65% 525 EV
Walter Mondale (D) 34% 13 EV


1988:
George Bush (R) 53% 314 EV
Michael Dukakis (D) 46% 224 EV


1992:
Bill Clinton (R) 35% 298 EV
George Bush (R) 34% 189 EV
Ross Perot (I) 30% 51 EV


1996:
Bill Clinton (D) 51% 332 EV
Bob Dole (R) 43% 206 EV
Ross Perot (I) 6% 0 EV


2000:
Al Gore (D) 51% 278 EV
George W. Bush (R) 48% 260 EV


2004:
George W. Bush (R) 55% 311 EV
John Kerry (D) 44% 227 EV


2008:
Barack Obama (D) 52% 307 EV
John McCain (R) 47% 231 EV


2012:
Barack Obama (D) 50% 281 EV
Mitt Romney (R) 49% 257 EV
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 01:57:55 pm »
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1960-1984 on here

1960


Nixon 296 51%
JFK    241  48%


1964



LBJ 516     66%
Goldwater 22 33%


1968


Nixon 364  51%
Humphrey 163 40%
Wallace  17     8%

1972


Nixon 507    60%
McGovern 31 39%

1976(Ford as nominee)


Carter 357  54%
Ford 181     45%

1976(Reagan as nominee)


Reagan 271 49.8%
Carter   267  49.7%


1980


Reagan 418  54%
Carter 120    40%
Anderson 0    5%

1984:


Reagan 535  66%
Mondale 3    33%




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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 03:27:29 pm »
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1960-1984 on here

1960


Nixon 296 51%
JFK    241  48%


1964



LBJ 516     66%
Goldwater 22 33%


1968


Nixon 364  51%
Humphrey 163 40%
Wallace  17     8%

1972


Nixon 507    60%
McGovern 31 39%

1976(Ford as nominee)


Carter 357  54%
Ford 181     45%

1976(Reagan as nominee)


Reagan 271 49.8%
Carter   267  49.7%


1980


Reagan 418  54%
Carter 120    40%
Anderson 0    5%

1984:


Reagan 535  66%
Mondale 3    33%






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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 03:57:05 pm »
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Now for 1992 -2012

1992


Clinton 260   35%
Bush    209   33%
Perot   69     31%


1996


Clinton 416    53%
Dole    122    38%
Perot    0       7%

2000


Gore 296 50%
Bush  242 49%

2004



Bush 301 52%
Kerry 237 47%

2008


Obama 311  51%
Mccain 227   48%

2012


Obama 272   49.3%
Romney 266  49.5%
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2015, 04:19:36 pm »
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1960
Nixon (R) over Kennedy (D)
Reasoning: Ike's popularity, Nixon's performance in the Kitchen Debate, and Kennedy's inexperience all give the GOP an edge.

1964
Johnson (D) over Goldwater (R)
Reasoning: Goldwater was too far to the right and Johnson had the momentum of the Civil Rights Movement behind him.

1968
Nixon (R) over Humphrey (D)
Reasoning: The Democrats are divided over Vietnam, the DNC was a disaster, and the Solid South is breaking up.

1972
Nixon (R) over McGovern (D)
Reasoning: I would have been supporting McGovern, but he never had a chance.

1976
Carter (D) over Ford (R)
Reasoning: High inflation and the stigma of Watergate make for a Democratic pickup.

1980
Carter (D) over Reagan (R)
Reasoning: The polls indicate a tight race midsummer in spite of Carter's weaknesses, Anderson has the potential to steal moderate Republican votes from Reagan, and Reagan's policies are similar to Goldwater's. Needless to say I would have been unpleasantly surprised.

1984
Reagan (R) over Mondale (D)
Reasoning: Mondale ran a weak campaign and Reagan ran a strong one.

1988
Bush (R) over Dukakis (D)
Reasoning: Reagan is popular and Dukakis isn't ready for the national spotlight.

1992
Clinton (D) over Bush (R)
Reasoning: Like Carter, Bush had early foreign policy successes that were obscured by a poor economy and faces a charismatic challenger in the general election.

1996
Clinton (D) over Dole (R)
Reasoning: The GOP took the heat for the government shutdown, and Clinton has long since cemented his reputation as the "comeback kid".

2000
Gore (D) over Bush (R)
Reasoning: The economy is good and Gore had a much easier path to the nomination than Bush, and so is seemingly "stronger".

2004
Kerry (D) over Bush (R)
Reasoning: A combination of Kerry's polling lead and my personal dislike for Bush would have led me to project a Democratic victory.

2008
Obama (D) over McCain (R)
Reasoning: The economy is terrible, McCain's pro-war stance is ripe for attack, and Obama has the momentum.

2012
Obama (D) over Romney (R)
Reasoning: The economy is getting better, foreign policy is going well, the polls show Obama leading heavily, and the primaries showed that even Republicans have their doubts about Romney.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2015, 08:39:30 am »
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I decided to add 1948-1956 to my list, so here is 1948-1984:

1948:

Thomas Dewey: 355 EV (51%)
Harry Truman: 138 EV (36%)
Strom Thurmond: 38 EV (8%)
Henry Wallace: 0 EV (4%)

1952:

Dwight Eisenhower: 454 EV (57%)
Adlai Stevenson: 77 EV (42%)

1956:

Dwight Eisenhower: 492 EV (60%)
Adlai Stevenson: 39 EV (39%)

1960:

Richard Nixon: 298 EV (51%)
John F. Kennedy: 220 EV (48%)
Unpledged Electors: 19 EV (1%)

1964:

Lyndon Johnson: 440 EV (65%)
Barry Goldwater: 98 EV (34%)

1968:

Richard Nixon: 319 EV (42%)
Hubert Humphrey: 147 EV (40%)
George Wallace: 72 EV (18%)

1972:

Richard Nixon: 439 EV (61%)
George McGovern: 99 EV (37%)

1976:

Jimmy Carter: 369 EV (53%)
Gerald Ford: 169 EV (45%)

1980:

Ronald Reagan: 366 EV (50%)
Jimmy Carter: 172 EV (41%)
John Anderson: 0 EV (6%)

1984:

Ronald Reagan: 452 EV (62%)
Walter Mondale: 86 EV (36%)
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2015, 08:53:36 am »
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Here is 1988-2012:

1988:

George H.W. Bush: 351 EV (52%)
Michael Dukakis: 187 EV (46%)

1992:

Bill Clinton: 341 EV (36%)
George H.W. Bush: 124 EV (34%)
Ross Perot: 73 EV (30%)

1996:

Bill Clinton: 440 EV (52%)
Bob Dole: 98 EV (38%)
Ross Perot 0 EV (10%)

2000:

Al Gore: 281 EV (50%)
George W. Bush: 257 EV (49%)

2004:

John Kerry: 337 EV (51%)
George W. Bush: 201 EV (47%)

2008:

Barack Obama: 316 EV (53%)
John McCain: 222 EV (45%)

2012:

Barack Obama: 311 EV (52%)
Mitt Romney: 227 EV (46%)
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I can vouch for this.  In my social circle, we regularly sing songs, or write poetry, about the fabled exploits of Gov. Haley.

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2015, 09:12:29 pm »
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2015, 09:35:47 pm »
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mencken... OP said before the elections... Not copy pasting actual election results Tongue
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mencken... OP said before the elections... Not copy pasting actual election results Tongue

I'm sorry that I am a better hindsight prognosticator than some people here.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2015, 09:48:09 am »
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I love this, thanks everyone!

1960
Nixon (R) over Kennedy (D)
Reasoning: Ike's popularity, Nixon's performance in the Kitchen Debate, and Kennedy's inexperience all give the GOP an edge.

1964
Johnson (D) over Goldwater (R)
Reasoning: Goldwater was too far to the right and Johnson had the momentum of the Civil Rights Movement behind him.

1968
Nixon (R) over Humphrey (D)
Reasoning: The Democrats are divided over Vietnam, the DNC was a disaster, and the Solid South is breaking up.

1972
Nixon (R) over McGovern (D)
Reasoning: I would have been supporting McGovern, but he never had a chance.

1976
Carter (D) over Ford (R)
Reasoning: High inflation and the stigma of Watergate make for a Democratic pickup.

1980
Carter (D) over Reagan (R)
Reasoning: The polls indicate a tight race midsummer in spite of Carter's weaknesses, Anderson has the potential to steal moderate Republican votes from Reagan, and Reagan's policies are similar to Goldwater's. Needless to say I would have been unpleasantly surprised.

1984
Reagan (R) over Mondale (D)
Reasoning: Mondale ran a weak campaign and Reagan ran a strong one.

1988
Bush (R) over Dukakis (D)
Reasoning: Reagan is popular and Dukakis isn't ready for the national spotlight.

1992
Clinton (D) over Bush (R)
Reasoning: Like Carter, Bush had early foreign policy successes that were obscured by a poor economy and faces a charismatic challenger in the general election.

1996
Clinton (D) over Dole (R)
Reasoning: The GOP took the heat for the government shutdown, and Clinton has long since cemented his reputation as the "comeback kid".

2000
Gore (D) over Bush (R)
Reasoning: The economy is good and Gore had a much easier path to the nomination than Bush, and so is seemingly "stronger".

2004
Kerry (D) over Bush (R)
Reasoning: A combination of Kerry's polling lead and my personal dislike for Bush would have led me to project a Democratic victory.

2008
Obama (D) over McCain (R)
Reasoning: The economy is terrible, McCain's pro-war stance is ripe for attack, and Obama has the momentum.

2012
Obama (D) over Romney (R)
Reasoning: The economy is getting better, foreign policy is going well, the polls show Obama leading heavily, and the primaries showed that even Republicans have their doubts about Romney.

You have given me some things to think about. I keep forgetting that Anderson was a Republican and Carter was in okay shape before the fall of 1980.

Where I disagree, however, is 2004. I stand by my Bush +11 win because the economy was in recovery for 18 months or more and the President had the "rally around the flag effect." I would even give Bush a larger percentage had he performed better in the debates and had Iraq been as popular in 2004 as it was in 2003.

I think there generally seems to be some consensus here that we all would have thought 1992 would have been closer than it was. Had Perot not dropped out and brought up a conspiracy theory to justify ending his campaign in the summer of 1992, he probably would have made it even closer. What's interesting is, at the time, there was a school of thought that Bush would win re-election.

I think there also seems to be consensus that everyone would know LBJ, Nixon, Clinton, and Reagan were going to win re-election - that is pretty consistent with what people actually felt in those years.

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2015, 11:04:00 am »
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1960:

Nixon/Lodge (R) def. Kennedy/Johnson (D)


1964:

Johnson/Humphrey (D) def. Goldwater/Miller (R), Barnett/Wallace (SD)


1968:

Nixon/Agnew (R) def. Humphrey/Muskie (D), Wallace/LeMay (AIP)


1972:

Nixon/Agnew (R) def. McGovern/Shriver (D)


1976:

Carter/Mondale (D) def. Ford/Dole (R)


1980:

Reagan/Bush (R)
def. Carter/Mondale (D), Anderson/Lucey (I)


1984:

Reagan/Bush (R) def. Mondale/Ferraro (D)


1988:

Bush/Quayle (R) def. Dukakis/Bentsen (D)


1992:

Bush/Quayle (R) def. Clinton/Gore (D), Perot/Stockdale (I)


1996:

Clinton/Gore (D) def. Dole/Kemp (R)


2000:

Gore/Lieberman (D) def. Bush/Cheney (R)


2004:

Bush/Cheney (R) def. Kerry/Edwards (D)


2008:

Obama/Biden (D) def. McCain/Palin (R)


2012:

Obama/Biden (D) def. Romney/Ryan (R)
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